On Amy and J

July 24, 2011 in Deeper Than Down

“Not surprising.”

“Not surprising.”

“Sad…but not surprising.”

Oh and here’s one employing sarcasm, “Gee, that was unexpected.  I had always thought she’d die in a train wreck!”

How do people get like this?  Who are these people?  A young, young woman died.  A young woman who was immensely talented, and if you heard any of her music, she was someone who probably made your life a little more interesting, by adding to it art and beauty, and a voice so deep with soul, you’d think it had been around for eons, not just shy of three decades.

Do people find solace in blaming this woman who (though we haven’t heard the exact cause of her death), may have died afraid and alone?

Do people really need that kind of comfort…to express a self satisfied “I told you so,” because they’re afraid of…what?  That if they felt sorrow over this, they’d be somehow culpable?  Better to blame, better to find cause and effect in it, better to say, “That would never happen to me, because I’m not reckless with my life.”

I had a friend, J, when I was eighteen, at a writer’s retreat in the Adirondack Mountains.  We would hike, a whole group of us, out to this lake about a mile from our dorms, flip-flopped and mosquito bitten and drunk with freedom in the dark, and when we got there we’d strip off our clothes and wade into the water, shivering, half hiding our naked parts, taking in each other and the moon with equal reverence.

One night J and I swam out to a not so near dock, racing, both of us breathing hard once we’d made it, pulling ourselves up and onto the damp wood.  He told me something I’ll never forget, and I’m sure that there was conversation preceding it, but I have no idea what it could have been.

He said, “I wish I could just be hooked up to machines or something.  In a coma.”

“What are you talking about?”

“It’s just so hard.”

“What is?”

“Everything.  Life.”

“J, what do you mean, in a coma?” my voice rose in confusion bordering on panic.  We were lying on the dock on our backs, staring into the dizzying, countless stars.

I don’t remember if J explained further, but I do remember that later that week he was sent home, because he’d borrowed a steak knife from the dining hall and his dorm mate had woken to see him huddled in the far corner of their room, carving up his arms.

He was a good writer, too.  He wrote a play about Emmet Till on one of his first days on campus, and we performed it at the end of the week, in his absence.

There were rumors later that they’d found all kinds of drugs in his bag before he was sent off.

And there was this other guy there that year, too.  His name was Sean.  Sean was All American, muscular and square jawed.  Us girls, we’d all had a crush on him.  He’d break out a football anytime we set foot on a patch of grass.  He was the class clown, never not smiling.

Sean’s mom had died earlier that same year, it was what he’d written about in his application to the retreat.  He read it to a group of us one night out in the woods.  But Sean was okay, really, mostly.  You could tell.  He wasn’t faking his smiles.

So what made Sean the way Sean was, all the energy in his body arching into a long toss of a football, and what made J the way J was, taking blood out of his arms onto a dorm room floor in the middle of the night, dreaming of the sanctuary and stillness of life support machines?

All I know is that J didn’t choose his impulses toward self destruction, and he didn’t deserve to have to leave campus that morning, escorted onto a bus bound for Brooklyn, and back into a life whose circumstances we could only guess about.  It just happened.  Some people are not as equipped for this world as others.

I’m somewhere in the middle, as I’d guess a lot of us are.  Not a constant class clown, and not willfully carving scars into my body.  Still, I can step far enough away from my default setting to see where they’re both coming from.

But who are these people saying, “I told you so?”

Those are the ones I can’t quite believe inhabit this same earth.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    There’s too much goddamn pain in the world.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/dahlelama/ DahlELama

    I too am totally shocked by the wholly unsympathetic reactions to her death. You know what? She did something for you. She made music that was incredible, and you got to hear it. You know what you did for her? Jack shit. Be sorry she’s gone, because the world is worse for it, whether she “brought it on herself” or not, and your self-righteousness neither makes you better nor helps anyone, anywhere, with anything.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/senorwences/ Senor Wences

    I have zero interest in celebrating the death of a junkie. None. No. A junkie I didn’t even know.

    I had a couple of junkies I did know and love pretty much die in my lap once (from a block away), and had to be the one to tell their parents after finally getting the cops to bust in the door and check out the smell, and you know what? Fuck junkies. Fuck them in their stupid junkie asses. They are pieces of shit for taking it to the death wall. Not to be pitied. THEY CARED NOT FOR YOU. NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT.

    Do you know how Amy Winehouse would have remarked upon your death, were you to die, even if you were her bestest of pals? Even if you were raped in the skull by bears and it was on live TV how your thoughts went, all “Oh, god, bear penis destroying the memory of my first Christmas, I don’t remember love now, that part of my brain destroyed now by bear cock, I..bluh bluh bluh…!”

    I can only speculate, but I figure her reaction would have been to disregard it completely, and be a junkie, instead. Just a wild guess.

    “She sure could sing, though.”

    Yeah, so can people who weren’t fucking selfish drug fucks.

    “Addiction is a…”

    Oh, shut the fuck up.

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJBoHa3GArA

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/uncivily-obedient-2-2/ uncivilly obedient

    This is a new one.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bjonston/ BJonston

    My emotional capital was spent in Norway this week and in Brooklyn the week before. Nothing left in the tank for Ms Winehouse.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bjonston/ BJonston

    I did enjoy this piece, though and I appreciate the observation that some kinds of people are better equipped for this world than others.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    I agree that the death of an addict singer pales in comparison to the tragedies in Norway or Grand Prairie, TX (although the latter pales strangely in comparison to the former), but it occurs to me in this week of ugliness that the world can’t really afford to lose anymore of its artists.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fictionsinmotion/ Vaquero

    Holy cats, Senor, that made me laugh.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    @FD– You are right about all of it. Who the hell do these superior fucks think they are? Like, oh she gets what she deserves. She did it to herself. She’s all, like famous and sooooo self-involved and annoying. Well, you know, to quote Perry Farrell: “Some people should die.” No question. But not her. Only pure, unrepentant evil deserves death. Living is fucking hard, people. Most of us are not very good at it. And if you want to lob your simplistic, vicious grenades at her because it makes you feel better about yourself, well, sure, by all means. She can’t respond. But remember, you’re the only person who you have live with every second of your life. You all right with that? How’s that going for you? I mean, really?

    SW- How’s the Governorship of Texas going? I agree, let’s just bring out the firing squad and get this whole process moving along at an acceptable pace. You can substitute “junkie” for all kinds of undesirables, and no one will give it a second thought….

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    Also, Club 27 has another member. So there’s that.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    Wences: Sorry it fell upon you to break the news to their parents. I’m not really sure how you figure into that scenario, given that they were the dead ones and their parents were the ones who lost children…but sounds like you were somehow irritated by a smell, or annoyed that they were selfish and fucked up before dying. I hope you used all the evocative bear-skull-raping imagery you’ve offered us, when you did break that news to their loved ones.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ITUWnHPYgU

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/thepish/ The Pish

    I don’t think people are celebrating the death as much as being apathetic to it. I could care less about the music she sang but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t a good singer. She fell in a hole and money made it worse. To hear people say they weren’t shocked by it or she deserved it is idiotic to me.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/perverseus/ perverseus

    Well, said Pish. Although the 24-hour news cycle will sensationalize the passing of Ms. Winehouse, it’s hard to feel a great deal of sympathy for someone who chooses to flush a promising life (not just career) down the toilet.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sarcastro/ Sarcastro

    Many people live horridly painful lives and die prematurely. To publicly mourn one such person because of her fame seems, well, silly.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @ Sarcastro: True, and I’ve seen people write about this sort thing where the subject was not famous (including here). A lot of us might relate to similar people who we know through Amy Winehouse, but it’s less painful to express ourselves about someone who we only know through her celebrity.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    I’m not mourning Amy Winehouse at all, and I’m not asking anyone else to. There are only a few songs of hers that I know and like. That wasn’t the point of what I wrote, though. I guess I was thinking more like, wow, it’s sad that her life seemed so hard for her to live, and sad that she’s dead now and people are making jokes about it. Some people are really fuck ups when it comes to living, but it seems way too simple and dismissive to say “she chose to be that way.” I think. What do I know? I can’t even smoke weed without freaking out and hiding under something.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sarcastro/ Sarcastro

    @chillbear I get that. In some very, very passive way, I feel for her family and friends, but no more than I feel for the families and friends of any other person (who I’m not intimate with) who suffers any sort of loss. In any case, it’s still hard for me to understand public displays of grief for strangers.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sarcastro/ Sarcastro

    @ fuldis closure:
    I know. Just kind of prattling on about the Winehouse phenomenon. From what I’ve seen (and from the jokes I’ve made), I think most of the backlash has less to do with her death per se than with what many, including me, see as an overwrought and essentially disingenuous reaction to celebrity death in general.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    Amy Winehouse embodied the archetype of the Addict.

    Everyone has secrets and emptiness that they are keeping a shade on. We are all capable of the compulsive and destructive. Couple that with the resentment that comes with not having the sort of opportunities or money that is supposed to buy happiness and we have a significant population who feels entitled to their contempt of the addict. She’s the lucky fuck who had the world by the balls and threw it all away. (That’s the story that the spin meisters and magazines sold us, amIrite?)) Everyone loves a scapegoat when the general discontent builds and its good exercise to rail against weakness, vulnerability and instability like its a sin against society. Those simple attributes are deep-down scary. No one wants to own that shaky shit. Fortunately we have our Amy Winehouse to focus the attention outwards. Then comes the blame game. Shaming people for their choices.

    She also represents the archetypal tortured artist. Traditionally, society has a softer spot for these characters which is why the haters aren’t jumping on hard as they would if she had been a less talented, less likable celebrity.
    I appreciate what you did with this piece Fuldy. Very thoughtful.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/militantrubberducky/ MilitantRubberDucky

    I don’t think it’s inappropriate to remark on the predictability of the outcome of a person’s actions. It’s not surprising when someone engages in destructive behavior and, lo and behold, self-destructs, like when someone drives drunk and crashes. It doesn’t make it any less sad, but to make a statement about how unsurprising it is doesn’t make you a callous ass. Yes, a young woman died, possibly alone and afraid, and it’s okay to feel bad for her, but it’s also okay to call a spade a spade and say that she is partly responsible for her demise (if she in fact overdosed – her cause of death is still unknown right now). At the risk of contradicting myself, I think the world needs more empathy, because you hit the nail on the head, that some people are not as equipped for this world as others; however, the other part of me, the daughter-of-an-addict part of me, can’t help but side a little with Wences: fuck those junkies for being so unable to look beyond the scope of themselves. I applaud those that go to rehab, that take measures to make themselves better, even when they backslide – that last bit wasn’t for you.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/little-trumpet/ Little Trumpet

    @ Senor Wences: I love that Billy Joel song!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    I appreciate what you guys are saying. I guess I did tend to view some of the “not surprising” comments as smug, and there were definitely some phrasings that implied she got what she deserved, and I got all worked up and did my rant. But I agree, saying something didn’t surprise you isn’t the same as saying you have no sympathy or empathy for it.

    I just have been close with a couple (luckily not more than that) people who really seem to find it unbearably hard and painful to be in the world at any functional level, and drugs just make sense to them, because they soften everything. It’s like they have a different filter setting than everyone else. More of the bad or perplexing or sad things work their way in. I think that if they could trade, they wouldn’t be so pained by the world in the first place, and then they wouldn’t need the drugs. I guess I don’t know how to phrase this without sounding naively defensive of junkies, though.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/latterdaylenin/ Latterday Lenin

    She was certainly talented, and it’s always a bummer when talented people die, but she was also kind of a racist and seemed bent on self-destruction.

    Addiction. It’s a hell of a drug.

    Also, I have trouble sympathizing with the “she made great art for you and you did nothing for her” crowd, because, well, we sort of made her rich by buying her albums. Unless she was some sort of non-profit singer and I don’t know about it. In fact, it could even be argued that our money helped by the drugs that killed her, so we’re kind of all to blame.

    That said, the only death I’ve ever celebrated was Jesse Helms’.

    At least Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings are still around. They were at least 60% of what made Amy so good to begin with.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/latterdaylenin/ Latterday Lenin

    @ Latterday Lenin:
    That said, the only death I’ve ever celebrated was Jesse Helms’.

    Oh, and Osama bin Laden. But that was just a spur-of-the-moment thing.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/dahlelama/ DahlELama

    @ Latterday Lenin: My inclination is to think that no one talking shit about an artist after her death spent money on her work when she was alive. Of course it’s not a given, but I feel comfortable enough making that guess.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    Latterday Lenin wrote:

    Oh, and Osama bin Laden. But that was just a spur-of-the-moment thing.

    As I recall, we had started celebrating something or other before SEAL Team 6 hit the ground.

    I’m fine with celebrating a death like that. I’m not exactly a Buddhist. When a really evil person gets lead poisoning, I’m kind of happy.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    @LL: Everyone has their drug of choice. For some it’s heroin, for some, it’s verbally sparring with people on the internet. Whatever gets you through the day:)

    In conclusion, everyone who’s being mean about this or any other dead girls, I will fight you off-internet, in an alley somewhere.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/latterdaylenin/ Latterday Lenin

    @ DahlELama:
    Oh, so we’re talking about individuals then? Okay, well, in fairness, I don’t think Amy Winehouse was saying “I sure hope Señor Wences likes my album!” when she was making her art for him specifically, so I guess everybody’s even.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @ Latterday Lenin: Unless she was some sort of non-profit singer and I don’t know about it. This comment made me laugh. Someone check to see if she filed as a 503(c).

    Señor Wences may not have liked her but did anyone ask Johnny?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/latterdaylenin/ Latterday Lenin

    I hope no one thinks I’m being antagonistic or trying to start fights. I’m not. And for the record, I liked Amy’s music. I just don’t get too upset when wealthy celebrities die on account of their own self-centered, decadent indulgences, even if they were talented as all hell. There are much sadder deaths happening out there.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    @LL: No, I don’t think you are trying to start fights. Was just kidding.

    But I do think when someone is taking it to that extreme, it’s not just decadence.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/latterdaylenin/ Latterday Lenin

    @ fuldis closure:
    I understand what you’re saying, and I agree to some extent. At least one of the motives for her behavior was obviously that she was having some serious mental health issues, and those charged with caring for seem to have blamed the drugs more than the fact that she was not well. I get that. From the outside looking in, it seems to me like the people around her were far more concerned with treating the addiction than they were helping her with her problems. And I don’t find the smug “I told you so” onlookers to be particularly endearing either.

    But my personal feeling is that there is really no situation in which drug use isn’t decadent. I’m not saying it makes it bad, and I am by no means an uptight prohibitionist or anything like that, but the act of taking drugs, by its very nature, is a self-centered one. Whether it’s for pleasure or it’s to dull the pain of living, when one shells out good money for drugs to consume, the last thing going through their mind is anybody but themselves.

    I don’t know. It’s just hard for me to feel that bad for her. Perhaps my perspective comes from living in Mexico, where over 40,000 people have died in trafficking-related violence since 2006, many of them very poor people just trying to get by, and many of them younger than Amy Winehouse, all to see that people like Amy could have their pity party supplies.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/latterdaylenin/ Latterday Lenin

    Uh, pardon my typos.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    The only thing I find objectionable in any of the above is the Billy Joel video. Change the channel quick!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    In this day and age, when the internet allows anyone to say anything about anything at anytime (myself included,) it’s very easy to make snarky, knee-jerk comments about things we think we know more about than we really do. The bandwagon forms pretty quickly, and even intelligent thoughtful people start saying cruel, stupid things.

    Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with morbid humor (I rather enjoy it, actually.) And I don’t think anyone can really say that junkie-ism is not decadent and foolish and destructive to more than just the person doing it. LL, you make a very cogent point in tracing individual behavior back to the horrific situation in Mexico (and Afghanistan and Colombia and on and on…)

    The problem is this knee-jerk, posse forming mentality is exactly what is sending our culture and politics down the tubes. I think the beauty of this piece, and what FD is trying to do is not necessarily defend or celebrate or justify or even romanticize the singer or her self-destructive behavior, but to cut through the white noise of people’s puritanical “disapproval” and self-satisfied detachment and find the universal humanity in the incident of someone’s actual death. It is easy to judge from afar, and tabloid culture exists to make us feel better about ourselves.

    But what Fuldis I think is saying is that life is painful and fragile, and sometimes instead of shouting and saying “I told you so,” stepping back and looking at how we all suffer from weakness and self-destructive tendencies. That sometimes, against our natural instincts, to actively err on the side of empathy and not judgment.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    @ tristantzara: Pretty much. Hi, t.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    I can’t wrap myself around any justification for abusing people who are suffering. Issuing judgement and horrible insults is cavalier sport these days. Its supposed to imply clever. “Haters” is part of the lexicon because aggressive and smug are increasingly popular qualities of character. I wasn’t mourning the iconic Amy either. I was feeling Fuldis Closure’s post and relating to her point of view.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/latterdaylenin/ Latterday Lenin

    I have a sneaking suspicion that there is a correlation between the people who are saying “I told you so” and the people who comment “First!!1!!!” on blog posts.

    Also, Fuldis, I haven’t said this yet, though it should go without saying: this piece was excellent.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    Aw, thanks LL. As are yours.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/unclebillyslumming/ Uncle_Billy_Slumming

    Fantastic, fuldis. Some exquisite sociopathy in the comments too.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bigleggedwoman/ BigLeggedWoman

    I am sort of a fuck-up at living and yet,YET, here I still am. How is that? Sure, somebody up there likes me, etc.

    Yet.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/members/leemyles/ LeeMyles

    @ fuldis closure:
    I don’t see you as defending junkies. You’re empathetic to the plight of the depressed. I’m 27 and I can’t remember the last time I felt elated. I just go through periods of being ok and not being able to stop crying or get off of the couch. You know what helps? Pain killers, alcohol, pot and cocaine.

    Pain killers and pot for the fuzzy feeling that softens the anguish and alcohol and cocaine to get me to a place where I can go out and socialize with other people. I’m not addicted to any of these things. I don’t wake up, smoke a joint, take an oxy, drink a beer and then sniff a line before I walk out the door, but I have done all of these things separately (except for the cocaine, which was always done with alcohol) to help ease it…everything.

    If you’ve never been sobbing on the couch for days, for no reason other than that you feel you’d be better of dead because you can’t possibly get off this couch and leave the house and face all those shiny, happy people, there’s no way to understand why a person would turn to drugs. There’s no easy fix for it either. It takes years of therapy and lots of love. But the drugs, they help temporarily. Some people just can’t kick it in the end. I am thankful that so far I am not one of those people.

    Is it selfish. Absolutely, but in certain circumstances I feel it’s almost a defense mechanism. I can’t wallow in the pain every minute of every day. I just can’t. If I feel like this too long I’ll probably try to kill myself. I’ve done it before.

    I hope this doesn’t elicit an attack. I am depressed and I am a drug user because of it. And I can see how people could get sucked in and never fall out of it.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nodebutante/ NoDebutante

    @ LeeMyles: You’ve expressed yourself beautifully and shouldn’t fear an attack from anyone here for doing so. I don’t understand what it is like to have an addiction or that depth of depression, which is not to say I haven’t had struggles of my own, but I realize they are different creatures entirely. I hope that you will see your way through to a better, more fulfilling time in your life, and that you do have lots of loving people there for you along the way.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/members/leemyles/ LeeMyles

    @ NoDebutante: Thank you. I hope so too. It would be nice to feel at peace with myself. I think it will happen one day. I am lucky to have a very loving, understanding, non-judgmental man in my life who is aware of my issues and who stands by me and helps me however he can. Just knowing he’s there has given me the strength to get through the last two really bad bouts.