Empty Hands, Part One – Come on Baby Light My Sutra

March 3, 2011 in Life, Poetry

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

I don’t know, the sound of someone not particularly impressed with your performance?

It’s said that some Zen practitioners have spent fifty years, meditating every single day of their life on this koan, and still never managed to answer it. Yet strangely enough the response above, if you were to say it out loud, might be one of the few that wouldn’t get you pounded mercilessly into the dirt by the master.

Well. . .  okay, it probably would.

Either way, I’d definitely smack you for being such a wiseass. Then buy us both another shot of Jameson.

I admit my “Zen essence” is still in a rather infantile stage.

I reread Dharma Bums recently. First time in twenty years, since I was a long-haired, 17 year-old cliché, hitchhiking home from the East Coast to the West—through the tall grass and thick horsesmell and whitewashed barns, scattered like forgotten ghosts throughout the Hudson Valley; into the oppressive, wet August heat and ticking woods of Virginia, following the faded footprints of one-armed soldiers and bright-faced marchers, countless intrepid souls who charged headlong into a barrage of cannons and bayonets, fire hoses and German Shepards. . .  I sat with my bone-thin grandmother, a withered, sandpaper-throated, clear-eyed version of her daughter, dwarfed by her recliner and recalling a recent near slip on the icy doorstep, saying “I’ve lived long enough, any time I go is the right time to go”; waded out into Lake Michigan, taking in the distant, towering spires of Upton’s Jungle sprawled along the horizon, finding the water pleasantly warm compared to the Pacific, while my cousins paced the rocky shore, fully clothed and shaking their heads incredulously; crawled beneath the soaring, massive arches in Utah, the red stone so hot at midday it made your skin blister; watched silver fingers of lightning flash over the mesa outside my tent in New Mexico, all the while being mercilessly devoured by thousands of mosquitoes, and then the next day twitched uncontrollably on the side of the highway, thumb extended, every single bare patch of skin—face, neck, arm and legs—smothered in swaths of crusty, pinkish calamine lotion; wrote (probably insufferable) poems on the concrete under highway bridges; and listened, cerebellum dulled by cheap vodka, to competing dirty-faced prophets standing on benches and screaming about The Apocalypse to the mostly indifferent crowd in the Omaha bus station at 4 am. . .

Since that time, my feelings about Kerouac have followed a somewhat similar trajectory to those I have about Jim Morrison. It goes something like this:

During your teenage years, devour the artist, soak up every, overly-romanticized bit of hedonism and self-indulgent poetry you can find, because it speaks to you, to your youth, your yearning for adventure and freedom, blah blah blah. . . (Did I mention I grew up in California?)

Then part two, as you enter your self-consciously intellectual college years, and you start “digging” things like Walter Benjamin and Apollinaire and Ornette Coleman, and not just because they make you seem smart and interesting (they don’t, really.) But, hell, because you actually enjoy it.  You finally start to get Yeats and Celine, and decide Kerouac couldn’t possibly have been serious. You visit Morrison’s grave in Père Lachaise, witness the idiotic graffiti and vandalism in the midst of the sprawling, sublime silence of The Entombed (I know, I know… but go there if you haven’t already and tell me I’m exaggerating) and you realize this guy is no damn poet. He’s a buffoon. A joke.The mec buried next to him, some printer who died in 1781, during the Commune, was probably more a poète than this asshole ever was. Not to mention that in this same cemetery, just to name a mere handful of actual geniuses, lie Prevert and Balzac and Oscar Wilde and Satie. . .

Hey dudes, let’s take acid and go trash their graves!

But let’s face it, what it really came down to at that age was that you felt more defined by what you didn’t like than what you did. Your aesthetic was your armor. You had to patch up the holes where you could. The biggest problem with Morrison and Kerouac was their absolute, unabashed earnestness, mixed with a little too much mediocrity to make it stick. Sure, you could be into Sylvia Plath or Guy Debord, because something about them was monstrous and impenetrable, and therefore safe. You could dig The Breeders and Patti Smith, who might occasionally wear their hearts on their sleeve, but their badassness went pretty much undisputed. Or you could be really into Diff’rent Strokes or Captain Crunch, and we’re all well-acquainted with the contortions of irony the so-called “hipster” goes through in order to swallow his own tail. In fact, here in the 21st Century such self-reflexive acrobatics have become so post post post post (to the nth degree) modern, and so perversely obvious, it’s actually a little embarrassing to even bring up.

Yet, it speaks to my larger point.

Which is. . . eventually, thankfully, you grow up.

All that breathless contemplation of coolness and uncoolness goes out the window. And good riddance. You like what you like and you honestly don’t give much of a fuck what other people think.

I reread The Subterraneans about five years ago and loved it.  I realized this guy is actually a great fucking writer. There really is a reason he is so beloved. He’s self-deprecating and sad and funny and too smart for his own good, and granted, anyone that high on amphetamines and “tea,” talking that much about himself and his amazing friends is going to get pretty annoying at some point. But. . . he’s also read everything one needs to read to be a good writer, and he really does know how to make words twist and kick and excite—and honestly, his friends actually are pretty amazing, and America really is vast and broken and beautiful and full of tragic poetry, and worth writing about in endless, rambling sentences that veer toward the stratosphere, attempting valiantly, and often fruitlessly (but always with genuine passion and dignity,) to conjure the massive expanses where soul and country and language all collide. . .

Of course, I try to explain this to people my age who haven’t read his stuff, and it’s rare if they don’t laugh in my face. Unless they experienced his work as a teenager, with the same naive sense of awe, they don’t really have the same feeling of revelation, of having grown up alongside it and watched it change as you yourself have changed. Yet doesn’t everyone have some piece of their adolescent struggle for identity which has swung this way, to and fro in their hearts, as they’ve gotten older?

With Jim Morrison, the moment of reconnecting was decidedly more sordid, and appropriately so. It was also a few years ago, and I had just stepped out of the bathroom in Tony Nic’s, a small, dark bar in North Beach, trying not to sniffle or flare my nostrils too obviously, the inside of my skull raging like a blizzard, when “LA Woman” exploded from the jukebox and punched me right between my pin-sized pupils.

There couldn’t have been a more perfect song at that moment.

The track is 7 minutes and 59 seconds of pure coke-fueled joy, and you cannot help but shake your ass and pound the bar, lip-syncing like a psychotically ecstatic Rain Man, while your friends and the other proximate patrons, who have probably heard this song at least 50,000 times since they were old enough to turn the radio dial, wonder what the big frickin’ deal is.

Well, first of all, it’s not like you’re shouting along to “Sweet Child of Mine” or “Don’t Stop Believin”’ with a bunch of beefy, Hilfiger-wearing douches down at the Horseshoe. Or, slumping over the bar at The Phone Booth, thinking that your blather about Interpol being nothing more than a cheap, virtual copy of Joy Division is actually going to get you laid (like I said, this was a few years ago.)

No, this was an instance of true revelation, people.

Pure rock n’ roll Satori.

Mojo Risin’. . .

It doesn’t happen to me that frequently anymore—at least not as convincingly as when I was younger—so when it does, it resonates. This wasn’t mere nostalgia for something I once loved and then despised and now loved again. What I realized (as admittedly, uh, chemically altered as my enthusiasm was,) was that the crazy shitbird may not be a poet, or hell, even Iggy Pop, but he really is a balls out, knock you on your ass, give you everything he’s got right now rock n’ roll singer, and the fact that his earnestness bleeds so freely into ridiculousness and then awesomeness and then nostalgia and then back again just makes me love him all the more. . .

So go ahead and be full of shit, my friend. As long as your backup band rocks, and you don’t forget too many words, and when you finally collapse on stage, everyone in the audience is actually on the edge of their seats, wondering if you’re ever going get up again.

Whoa. . . maybe he’s just really fucked up.

Or maybe. . .  who knows?. . . he answered the master’s question incorrectly and got knocked on his sorry ass.

“What’s the sound of one hand clapping?” asks Lisa, sitting next to her brother on the windy mountaintop.

Without hesitation, Bart smacks his three little yellow fingers against his palm like a hand puppet…

(NEXT… Part 2- Dirt is Better than Poetry!)

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    I’ll try to find something more poignant to write later when I can get over how good this piece is.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    It’s official. I am in love. Please say something about Bukowski in your next piece (or the piece after that) because I’m dying to have that alcoholic blowhard properly trashed. Or perhaps I should write it myself, from the perspective of a little girl sitting in a bar with her drunk-ass father whose soaked wit was far and away superior to the trash Bukowski turned out. My drunk poet is better than your drunk poet. In any event, this is a fantastic piece. I went the same way with Plath. Now that I’m old and a mother, and an old mother, for that matter, her stuff resonates in a far more elemental way than it did when I was a moody young woman with a typewriter.

    Wow. Thank you so much for this. Love.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fictionsinmotion/ Vaquero

    First thing I thought of was Bart having solved this riddle twenty or so years ago.

    Lisa: I want you to shut off the logical part of your mind.
    Bart: Okay.
    Lisa: Embrace nothingness.
    Bart: You got it.
    Lisa: Become like an uncarved stone.
    Bart: Done.
    Lisa: Bart, you’re just pretending to know what I’m talking about.
    Bart: True.
    Lisa: Well, it’s very frustrating.
    Bart: I’ll bet.

    I think Mama’s about to jump out the window a la Fitzgerald. Put mattresses around the outside of Wordsmoker castle, stat!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    OMG seriously ex bf find your own damn website. I was here firrrst!
    Also, that was a bit over my head but I’m also thinking it was the best thing I’ve seen you write in a long time, and I’m glad you’re doing it, but I’m also a little sad that when I come on here I have to see Mama P who I have a big girlcrush on declaring her LOVE for my EX. Please don’t meet in some hotel halfway between here and there and then write about it on Wordsmoker please!
    FML.
    TMI.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @ fuldis closure: Oh, no. Don’t even go there. Men come and go, but girlfriends are forever. I want to meet you halfway between here and there and we’ll write about it on WS!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    Aw, thanks Mama P.

    Please tell Tristan not to go elsewhere, as he indicated in offsite emails just now…even though he did follow me onto my favorite website and is popping up here while we’re both trying to move on, which is kind of odd! Haha. Whatev. This is brilliant writing and needs to be here, and I was just being emotional and impulsive. I apologize for threadjacking. Going elsewhere myself.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/gerbilsinlove/ gerbilsinlove

    This brings back too many memories of being too cool to live. But Jimi Hendrix is the boss, no apologies to Morrison.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/militantrubberducky/ MilitantRubberDucky

    I love this, even though I’m probably too young to know what the hell you’re talking about. Still, great piece. Also, please don’t go away!

    @ fuldis closure:
    I…hmm.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nodebutante/ NoDebutante

    This was fantastic — quite a trip! When I was 20, wandering old cemeteries seemed edgy and dark. Now that I’ve seen real darkness, so many ways to get a one-way ticket in, I realize I was just playing make-believe-I’m-a-grownup. I hope you’ll send more pieces, if you and fuldis can come to a custody agreement.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    @ gerbilsinlove:

    No argument. There’s all the other guitarists and then there’s Jimi.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    Well, okay. That’s really very very good. You wrote the Dharma
    Bums paragraph yourself, didn’t you. At least the sandpaper-throated phrase didn’t come up in a Google (including Google Books) search (other than in Wordsmoker). You’re good.

    I had almost the identical experience, also with Kerouac and Morrison, and wrote some embarassingly earnest and shit about the latter wjhen I was in my 20s. My mother, who had literary pretensions and is the only own I know who made it all the way through Finnegan’s Wake, gave me a copy of On the Road right after it was published, when I was a teen, and I read it over and over laying in bed listening to the train go by a short way away through the woods. I thought she was encouraging me to leave. I moved to Manhattan right after college.

    Yes, you’re right about the cycle of appreciation of such writers/poets/whatever. I tend to wander wide-eyed through life (as our friend Theological Song pointed out very intelligently a year ago after I went wild for Lady Gaga) a bit naive and gullible. Lately I cast off my reserve and added key Doors songs to my iPod, and will pick up a new copy of On the Road. Maybe I’ll go wild eyed again.
    And Dharma Bums, which I liked better than Subterraneans. Three years ago in San Francisco I tried to meet up with Ferlinghetti. No luck.

    (I did refer back to Kerouac from time to time, and sometimes wonder if I haven’t be rewriting that last paragraph of On the Road for years.) And I got friendly with Ginsberg for a while in the 80s.

    I note that in his memoir Dylan expressed admiration for the Kingston Trio, a passion of mine in high school that I was embarassed about for decades. So if it was okay with Dylan, why not? I got a copy of their top hits album from the library and found that, among other tunes, “Hard Travellin’ ” is really quite good after all.

    God isn’t Pooh Bear, though. I think that phrase broke the spell of that last paragraph. I would have sobered up and replaced it with something else.

    I don’t know what I mean to say here except to repeat that you’re really very good, and I hope you’re going to publish, if not this then something else. Or maybe you’re well-published now. In any event, thanks and I look forward to part two.
    I

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    Greetings all– Thank you all for the great responses. It’s always a pleasure to write here for people who really get it, and who are so talented in your own right.
    My apologies for inadvertently sparking a public mini-drama between FD and me, and pulling some of you into it. But just to reassure you, not only are neither of us leaving the site, but she is actually sitting next to me right now. Now you just have to bear with our bubbly hearts and kisses back and forth to each other…
    Oh I kid the Wordsmokers.

    Gerbil/ Weegee– no argument here about Jimi. But he never inspired much doubt. It was always cool to like Jimi.

    Weegee, indeed, everything in here except for specific quotations is all in my own words. But it’s actually flattering that perhaps I might be suspected of plagiarism. Kingston Trio is a good example of fuck what anybody else thinks is cool, though you’re right, if Dylan likes it, there’s your cred. I don’t completely follow your Pooh Bear reference, but I think I know what you mean. (I was indeed sober… kinda like Dean Martin that way, swirling an empty martini glass for kicks…) But I admit it could have ended better. But there’s a Part two for you, so I’ll see what I can do next time.

    Thanks again all.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @ tristantzara: I’m glad to hear you crazy kids have mended your fences, but I’ll admit I’m a little saddened at the thought that Fuldis and I won’t be able to satisfy our bi-curious urges. Or did I already do that with Gerbs? No matter. You are both extraordinary writers and I would be heartsick to see either of you go (although girl power, you know, Fuldis, hint hint).

    Guys, where am I on the coolness-o-meter with my confession that I really dislike Jimi Hendrix, the Beat poets, and especially Bob Dylan? I do feel something strong for Jim Morrison, but the rest of these fuckers only bring out the feminazi in me. See Marge Piercy’s “The Grand Coolie Dam” in Sisterhood is Powerful.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    This is important, so please pay attention. Before long, you will all be my ex’s in one way or another. Maybe I date you for a few weeks. Maybe it’s a one night stand that I don’t even remember. Once you lay with me in any sort of biblical sense of the word, you will A) Consider it a relationship, B) Determine that I am the greatest lover that ever lived and C) Pine for me for the rest of your lives.*

    Why am I telling you all this? Because I don’t want to lose any writers or commenters. Wordsmoker needs growth, and if every time I couple with one of you it leads to a the loss of a commenter. . . well, let’s just say that no blog can suffer that type of attrition.

    * These three things are in no way true, but if you tell yourself something for long enough, it always comes to fruition.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    <3 <3 <3 :* Chillbear!
    Oops, I mean Tristan. :*
    *hits face against screen, falls down.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/fuldis-closure-2-2/ fuldis closure

    P.S. Mama P: I’m still allowed!
    Actually I don’t know if that’s true but it will be an interesting thing to ask.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    tristantzara wrote:

    Greetings all– Thank you all for the great responses. It’s always a pleasure to write here for people who really get it, and who are so talented in your own right.
    My apologies for inadvertently sparking a public mini-drama between FD and me, and pulling some of you into it. But just to reassure you, not only are neither of us leaving the site, but she is actually sitting next to me right now. Now you just have to bear with our bubbly hearts and kisses back and forth to each other…
    Oh I kid the Wordsmokers.

    Gerbil/ Weegee– no argument here about Jimi. But he never inspired much doubt. It was always cool to like Jimi.

    Weegee, indeed, everything in here except for specific quotations is all in my own words. But it’s actually flattering that perhaps I might be suspected of plagiarism. Kingston Trio is a good example of fuck what anybody else thinks is cool, though you’re right, if Dylan likes it, there’s your cred. I don’t completely follow your Pooh Bear reference, but I think I know what you mean. (I was indeed sober… kinda like Dean Martin that way, swirling an empty martini glass for kicks…) But I admit it could have ended better. But there’s a Part two for you, so I’ll see what I can do next time.

    Thanks again all.

    Re Pooh Bear, herewith the magnificent last paragraph of On the Road. I’ve been swooning over these words since 1957.

    So in America when the sun goes down and I sit on the old broken-down river pier watching the long, long skies over New Jersey and sense all that raw land that rolls in one unbelievable huge bulge over to the West Coast, and all that road going, all the people dreaming in the immensity of it, and in Iowa I know by now the children must be crying in the land where they let the children cry, and tonight the stars’ll be out, and don’t you know that God is Pooh Bear? the evening star must be drooping and shedding her sparkler dims on the prairie, which is just before the coming of complete night that blesses the earth, darkens all rivers, cups the peaks and folds the final shore in, and nobody, nobody knows what’s going to happen to anybody besides the forlorn rags of growing old, I think of Dean Moriarty, I even think of Old Dean Moriarty the father we never found, I think of Dean Moriarty.

    Yours in forlorn rags, Weege.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/dieterthemasseur/ DieterTheMasseur

    Fucking incredible. Dreaming of Dean Moriarty tonight…

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    Well, that’s just dandy. I had a terrible dream that I was assaulted outside my boss’s house by some Eastern European-looking thug with a shaved head. He was probably a beat poet and wrote meaningful vers libre about selling his children in Mexico to fund his drug habit and his cross-country search for his idiotic self. I’d like to shove the bedazzled dong of shame up each one of their asses. Lay, Asshole, Lay across your own shabby fucking bed!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    Love is in the air and I am not breathing a fucking word of it. Seriously though, I am so glad you crazy kids decided to share the playground because you are both such talented writers.
    I loved this piece so much.

    Deep down in my DNA I know that my father had to have had an affair with one of those cool cats. Ginsberg was from the town next door and the “Beats” were banging around the village in those days, when they were on the east coast. Dad was right there with them. Maybe it was Neal Cassady. A girl can hope.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    Mama Penguino wrote:

    Well, that’s just dandy. I had a terrible dream that I was assaulted outside my boss’s house by some Eastern European-looking thug with a shaved head. He was probably a beat poet and wrote meaningful vers libre about selling his children in Mexico to fund his drug habit and his cross-country search for his idiotic self. I’d like to shove the bedazzled dong of shame up each one of their asses. Lay, Asshole, Lay across your own shabby fucking bed!

    Aw, c’mon. I recently found my Kennedy Assassination poem. It was pretty damn good. And historically, a lot of people have had a lot of fun on shabby fucking beds.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    Weegee- Thank you for that excerpt. So awesome, as far as I’m concerned, and supported my point about K beautifully. Yes, God is not Pooh Bear. At least not according to the Old Testament or you know, legions of seething, fundamentalist dickheads. But you gotta love the guy for his optimism, however misguided.

    Mama P– Zow, girlfriend. I hope they tracked that motherfucker down, Inception style. Seriously. Sounds like a dirtbag. (That said, I agree with Weegee– I think we all know that the best sex happens in the dirtiest places…)

    But I feel you. I don’t know any women who’ll listen to Jimi (on purpose) for more than about 45 seconds (ask Fuldis.) It’s a dude thing. But I hope it won’t be a surprise that at least I personally love Lorrie Moore and Kathleen Hanna and Meryl Streep as much as Wu-Tang Clan and Marlon Brando and Mickey Spillane. Picasso was an asshole, as Jonathan Richman so happily informed us, but I could still look at his paintings all day. Woody Allen, who could really never excuse what he did, but I would never boycott his movies based on that (just the ones that suck.) Ezra Pound was a crazed fascist, anti-semite, and a general fuckwad, but I still read his poems with a sense of complete awe. I’m not lecturing, I promise. I’m just saying that I love art above all else. I do think politics have a place in art, of course, and when they do, you are accountable for what you are saying. You always are. I guess I just assume that most artists are fucked up assholes and unless they’re being hypocrites (and sometimes even if they are) I’m willing to listen if you’re talented enough. Also, I will defend not neceassrily the Beats, but at least Kerouac in saying that he was a great humanist, and he loved people of all kinds, all races and genders. He loved macho Neal Cassady and crazy Allen Ginsberg, but he was also a great lover of women, and not in a condescending way. Read the section of On the Road where he falls in love with the Mexican girl, and it’s one of the great love stories I’ve ever read.

    Or don’t. My ultimate point is, we love what we love, what fulfills us, and leave the rest. I take in as much as can, even if it grates a little against my better instincts, because I wanna find out whatever tiny sliver I can about this fucked up world in whatever gruellingly short time I have left.

    There is no coolness-o-meter that I know of. And if there is, let’s fucking burn it down, eh?

    Besides, if it was worth being on, you’d be on it, sister.

    Fuldis– <3 <3 <3

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    I know, I know. I’m being a jerk. And most of the time I can separate the artist from his or her work of art (although reading Ezra feels like having a mouthful of dirt sometimes). I don’t need to tell you how many times we hashed and rehashed this issue in grad school (a prissy sort of place compared to the steamroller that is law school, imo) and I got so sick of it, so yes, I get your argument, Tristan, and in my heart, agree with you. It’s just those self-aggrandizing, macho nitwits drive the practical part of me bonkers. It’s no doubt a male/female thing – or a kneejerk reaction to having a father who lived a boozy, carefree life as a self-focused existentialist while my mother had to work non-stop to clothe, house and feed the three kids from whom he walked away. I just don’t have anything left in me for that false romanticism of the wanderer. Also, it seems the more I immerse myself in Judaism, the less I can overlook the life and politics of the artist.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    tristantzara wrote:

    Weegee- Thank you for that excerpt. So awesome, as far as I’m concerned, and supported my my point about K beautifully. Yes, God is not Pooh Bear. At least not according to the Old Testament or you know, legions of seething, fundamentalist dickheads. But you gotta love the guy for his optimism, however misguided.

    Mama P– Zow, girlfriend. I hope they tracked that motherfucker down, Inception style. Seriously. Sounds like a dirtbag. (That said, I agree with Weegee– I think we all know that the best sex happens in the dirtiest places…)

    But I feel you. I don’t know any women who’ll listen to Jimi (on purpose) for more than about 45 seconds (ask Fuldis.) It’s a dude thing. But I hope it won’t be a surprise that at least I personally love Lorrie Moore and Kathleen Hanna and Meryl Streep as much as Wu-Tang Clan and Marlon Brando and Mickey Spillane. Picasso was an asshole, as Jonathan Richman so happily informed us, but I could still look at his paintings all day. Woody Allen, who could really never excuse what he did, but I would never boycott his movies based on that (just the ones that suck.) Ezra Pound was a crazed fascist, anti-semite, and a general fuckwad, but I still read his poems with a sense of complete awe. I’m not lecturing, I promise. I’m just saying that I love art above all else. I do think politics have a place in art, of course, and when they do, you are accountable for what you are saying. You always are. I guess I just assume that most artists are fucked up assholes and unless they’re being hypocrites (and sometimes even if they are) I’m willing to listen if you’re talented enough. Also, I will defend not neceassrily the Beats, but at least Kerouac in saying that he was a great humanist, and he loved people of all kinds, all races and genders. He loved macho Neal Cassady and crazy Allen Ginsberg, but he was also a great lover of women, and not in a condescending way. Read the section of On the Road where he falls in love with the Mexican girl, and it’s one of the great love stories I’ve ever read.

    Or don’t. My ultimate point is, we love what we love, what fulfills us, and leave the rest. I take in as much as can, even if it grates a little against my better instincts, because I wanna find out whatever tiny sliver I can about this fucked up world in whatever gruellingly short time I have left.

    There is no coolness-o-meter that I know of. And if there is, let’s fucking burn it down, eh?

    Besides, if it was worth being on, you’d be on it, sister.

    Fuldis– <3 <3 <3

    The only difference between madness and artistry is that you publish (or display or perform) the latter.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    @ Weegee\’s Bored: Writing fiction in particular. If you publish it youre an artist. Otherwise you’re someone who stays home alone and plays with his imaginary friends.

    Oh I’m just kidding.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    tristantzara wrote:

    Picasso was an asshole, as Jonathan Richman so happily informed us, but I could still look at his paintings all day.

    This conversation is quite frankly above my head, so I’ll just mention that you broke the John Cale rule:

    httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htYfnXTIUls

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    Phil effing Collins! I repeat… Phil Collins! Fuck yes. My life now has meaning. I’m telling you, I was walking the razor there for a bit.

    Yes, CBL, I admit, I was referring to this very song (albeit the much more drawly Modern Lovers version) and conveniently omitting the irony that by saying “never” (at least I figured) he really meant “pretty much all the time.” I could be wrong, however.

    Busted.

    All that aside, this video is cooler than anything else I could say on the subject, so I shall humbly seal my lips, dim the lights, and crank this up.

    John Cale, Eno, and Phil fucking Collins!

    Holy cow.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    @ tristantzara:

    Phil Collins ain’t bad. I give you that. I only know his hits, though. Never listened to the rest.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    Patrick Bateman on Phil Collins:

    “Do you like Phil Collins? I’ve been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn’t understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins’ presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group’s undisputed masterpiece. It’s an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don’t you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to “Land of Confusion”. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. “In Too Deep” is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as, uh, anything I’ve heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins’ solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like “In the Air Tonight” and, uh, “Against All Odds”. Sabrina, don’t just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is “Sussudio”, a great, great song, a personal favorite.”

    From the movie American Psycho

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    And this just uncannily broke overnight:

    Phil Collins to Retire From Music Amidst Health Concerns

    Tragic.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @ Weegee\’s Bored: Weird, because I was just telling my husband yesterday that he needs to think of himself as a mad, reclusive genius to which he responded, “no, I’m a bum.”

    The first concert I ever attended stone-cold sober was Genesis sometime in the early 80s. I’m sure it wasn’t, but I always think of it as the best concert I ever went to as it was one of the few I was wide awake for. Nothing wrong with Phil Collins.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @ tristantzara: This is my most embarrassing Wordsmoker moment since I mistook a “vestibule” for something that you could rest a coffee pot upon. You have no need to apologize. You referenced Jonathan Richman in your comment. I didn’t realize that he had written the song. I also think that you nailed the meaning of the lyrics. Also, you’re right, the Modern Love version is superior. It’s now on my iPod.

    Music is not my thing. Any time that I take a stab t AudioSmoker, it’s usually to demonstrate what a musical buffoon I am.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    Much to the horror of my music-biz-insider son, I like what I call “Miami Vice Soundtrack Music.” Stuff like “in the air tonight” and “take me home.”

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    Mama P– stone-cold sober Genesis concert was my first too! (Then David Lee Roth and Cinderella…)

    ChillBear– Nothing to be embarassed about. Both versions are awesome, and I genuinely was super stoked about Phil Collins playing on it. Part of my earnest nerdiness about music includes a not so secret love of Genesis, especially the weird stuff with Peter Gabriel, and far too much of the stuff with Phil Collins for me to believe that I’ve been laid in the last five years (except perhaps by some lady with big hair and shoulder pads.) Maybe I have a little of Patrick Bateman’s style, who knows?

    I forgot about that scene. What twisted, brilliant writing.

    And yes, poor Phil, I saw this morning he’s calling it quits. It is clear we all shall mourn his professional passing… at least tonight, tonight, tonight…

    Okay, sorry.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    Weegee, you rule. Your son don’t know nothin’!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    @ tristantzara:

    I’m not sure he gets my fondness for the Boody Beetroots either. (Of course he does; he’s a great kid.)

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/weegees_bored/ Weegee\’s Bored

    @ Weegee\’s Bored:

    Bloody. Not Boody.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    @ tristantzara:
    I saw Genesis with Peter Gabriel twice in the early seventies. I was probably fifteen the first time. “Nursery Cryme” had been released, Gabriel was still doing “Watcher” from “Foxtrot” in the long robes with the triangular box on his head. It was an amazing concert. Wish I had not burned my journals in my madness. I would love to be able to read what that young girl wrote after that concert. Second concert was during the “Lamb Lies Down On Broadway” tour. I recall both were smallish venues so I am guessing I was at Academy of Music, NYC for both concerts. Right now I am listening to a rare recording of Gabriel live with Genesis during his final tour.
    You can hear it at:
    http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/genesis/concerts/shrine-auditorium-january-24-1975.html
    If that does not work just do a search for the concert on those dates at Wolfgang’s Vault. I am working on a dysfunctional PC today and I can not cross check the link. I have already lost this post once. Love the old Genesis so much. You have to hear this. Enjoy Rael Imperial Aerosol Kid.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    Academy is in Philly. I was confusing it with the Beacon. Maybe I saw Genesis at the Beacon Theater. I have a vague memory that the first concert was actually at a university in NY/Northern NJ. I know I wasn’t getting to Philly for concerts when I was fourteen-fifteen. Thanks for bringing up Genesis, Tristian. I have not listened to a complete concert in years. Still the words come back immediately.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/berightback/ berightback

    I really enjoyed this, Tristan. It is so interesting how our opinions of literature, when they change, reflect less and less upon our reassessment of the actual work than of our own experiences of it at different times, essentially how we’ve changed and how that’s actually inseparable from the interaction with the literature itself, which is what makes these different views of the self perceptible. If that’s not too annoyingly convoluted a way to put it.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/lipsticklibrarian/ LipstickLibrarian

    I’m gonna make you a mix tape. You like Phil Collins, right?

    I have two ears and a heart, don’t I?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    @ Chillbear Latrigue:

    pretty effin sexy

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/tristantzara/ tristantzara

    @ LipstickLibrarian:

    Yes Ma’am. I do. Pleez do.