Flying To Georgia? It Could Be Terminal

May 3, 2010 in I SHIT YOU NOT

Well, along with Arizona, chalk up another US state I won’t be visiting soon – Georgia.  The reasons for my Arizona-dodging are pretty obvious (I sometimes look a bit like an illegal immigrant, what with my hair and legs and stuff) – my reason for dodging Georgia? The proposed legislation waiting to be signed into law that permits gun owners to carry their penis-enlargers guns inside the airport terminals or the shooting galleries parking lots.

Yes. You read it right. From USA Today:

Lawmakers in Georgia have approved a bill that would allow gun owners to carry their licensed firearms at parts of Atlanta Hartsfield, despite the airport’s vigorous opposition. The legislation, which is waiting for Gov.Sonny Perdue’s signature, would permit carrying of firearms in areas that are not controlled by the federal government, such as terminals and parking lots.

The next bit is news to me, but I’m not surprised, really.

It expands on a state law passed in 2008 that allows Georgia residents with firearm licenses to bring concealed weapons onto public transportation, in parks and recreational areas and into restaurants that serve alcohol. Gun advocates have since been lobbying to expand the law to include the airport.

The case is being closely watched by airport officials nationwide.

Yeah. I bet it is.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    Waiting for the first dead Muslim traveler at Hartsfield Airport in 3… 2… 1…

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    Oh, and to counter the inevitable 2nd Amendment, right to bear arms, self-protection arguments, let me say that most airports have fully-trained and qualified security people, and if there is some rampant crime epidemic at airports, I haven’t heard of it.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/misspeacock/ MissPeacock

    I see no way in which this measure could possibly fail.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/irishbreakfast/ irishbreakfast

    What part of an airport is not controlled by the federal gov’t? Baggage claim? Once you exclude terminals and parking lots there isn’t much left except public transportation and airport hotels, both of which were already concealed-weapon friendly.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    I haven’t read the law recently, but in Florida in the early 90′s, it was legal to carry a concealed weapon into the “non-sterile” (I believe that was the language that they used) areas of an airport. Meaning that if you were licensed, you could have a gun up to any point where there was a security check point. I don’t know if this is still the case, but I will research it today.

    I don’t recall any incidents of gun violence at airports by concealed weapons permit holders. There is an important distinction here. Any criminal wishing to do harm in an airport is not going to worry about whether or not he or she has a concealed weapons permit or whether or not he or she is crossing the invisible barrier established by the law.

    However, Newt, does have a point. An otherwise law-abiding person who happens to be at an airport with his concealed gun may intercede in situations that are better left handled by the airport security personnel. However, do not overestimate airport the effectiveness of airport security. They are mostly concentrating on not letting things get onto planes. You may see a lot of uniforms at airports, but very few of them are attached to guns. TSA agents, for example, are unarmed.

    I think that I would feel safer only allowing guns into the airport in a locked case. This is necessary for travelers transporting their guns.

    In closing, I would like to say this:

    Where would John Cutter have been without his semi-auto and an unlimited supply of ammunition?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    You want to add Alabama to that lists of banned states.

    Gov. candidate (R) AL Tim James is proposing his English Only platform for persons applying for drivers permits, licenses. One test, one language. Another way to keep those pesky immigrants in check. I’ll say it again, Nazi is the new black. So fashionable this season.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @GeoDeJane: I’m not sure that I agree that requiring drivers to speak a common language is the same as rounding up brown people and demanding their papers. Unlike walking around and breathing air, driving is not a right. There may be some ulterior motives here, but as a monolingual cop in Florida, I can vouch for how inefficient it is to have to request a translator to issue a parking citation or instruct someone on what they need to do for a crash.

    I’m not saying that if you don’t speak English you can’t drive as a tourist, but to possess a license that you need because you are presumably working in the state, you should have a minimal understanding of driving terms.

    In conclusion:

    What kind of terrorist would Hans Gruber be if he couldn’t switch to English to verbally spar with John McClane in Die Hard?

    Sorry, I kind of have a theme going.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @CHILLBEARLATRIGUE: Thank you for the concession. My point mainly is a) there doesn’t seem to be a lot of violent crime going on at airports, and b) the more guns you allow into an airport, the greater likelihood someone, some day, is going to use one. As to the security people keeping things off planes, that’s what I want them doing, instead of having to worry that there are dozens of firearms roaming around the airport, one or more of which may be unregistered.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/baroness/ Baroness

    ChillBear: Just thinking aloud here. But the thing about English-only citizens for drivers’ licenses is this: force them away, and they will drive without it, and without insurance. And that’s disaster for everyone when accidents happen. Proof of citizenship for a license or insurance will drive ten million undocumented people underground- not all of them can take the bus to work, like removing chicken anuses from poultry, the jobs Real Americans claim they covet.

    It’s a total canard that English mastery is needed to know what a Stop sign is, the highway signage system is designed to be understood internationally, with pictures and arrows and even “illegals” aren’t so dumb as to be completely unfamiliar with English words and place names. They’re not fools, mostly, and they’ve been doing it for years. A language requirement to drive is a boneheaded way to drive people who are already here working and contributing away from the system. Deprive them of licenses and the ability to do the right legal thing and buy insurance- it’s a no-win situation for everyone.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    Here is the language in the current Florida law. It appears that GA is just playing catchup.

    FSS 790.06 (12):”No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.”

    This has been the law for at least 20 years in Florida with no incidents that I could find with a concealed weapon’s permit holder discharging a firearm in an airport.

    However, I still don’t know why anyone would want to bring a gun to an airport. More importantly, why do lawmakers think that people need to bring their guns to airports?

    @Baroness: I agree that any idiot can read a sign. However, the license for crashing your car is the same as the license for driving it. I deal with motorists in a number of different capacities and I can assure you that the ability to communicate with me is always to their benefit. Don’t take this to mean that I treat speakers of other languages any differently, but the language barrier impedes my ability to wrap up my business in a timely manner. You shouldn’t need to be fluent in English to drive, but you should know a few basic terms. Then again, I should probably also know Spanish because of where I work. In the mean time, I just wing it.

    @Virus: If you come to Florida, I will arrange a police escort until you’re clear of the airport.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/heneage/ Heneage

    As a temporary resident of the “great” state of Georgia, I feel I’m entitled to speak on this subject. The city of Kennesaw actually requires residents to own guns and ammunition:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia#Gun_law

    I wish that the state legislature would focus less on packin’ heat and more on fixing the massive, swimming pool sized potholes in the streets, state budget crisis, and preventing me from almost stepping on hypodermic needles on MARTA on the way to said airport.

    Unfortunately wishing for those things makes me a hippy, socialist, liberal faggot.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @CHILLBEARLATRIGUE: It’s a response to the dismantling of the Second Amendment. You had heard about this, hadn’t you? It’s in all the Facebook ads… Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and the U.N. are trying to take away everyone’s guns! Apparently, there’s a super-secret Government plan to repeal the Second Amendment without anyone knowing about it. God’s honest truth — I read it on the Internet!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @HENEAGE: As we all know, State government’s primary responsibility is to complain about what the Federal Government does and then create laws to try and subvert it. They don’t have time for potholes, or law enforcement, or medical care for citizens, or clean water… someone has to fight Washington, D.C.!!!!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Heneage: I agree that it’s absolute insanity to require the “head of household” to have a gun and ammunition. How do you even enforce that law? What judge would sign a search warrant because a cop has probable cause to believe that the law is being broken? “Your honor, Mr. Henson hasn’t been attending the gun range lately and it’s been a fortnight since anyone has heard him shooting at squirrels. He’s either out of ammo or sold the gun. I think we need to go in.”

    @Newt: I know that I’m in the minority of people who defend gun rights, but don’t constantly throw the Second Amendment in everyone’s face. Unless we are defending the common man’s rights to own tomahawk missiles and Black Hawk helicopters, it’s pretty unlikely that the people will have an effective militia to overthrow a tyrannical government.

    However, there seems to be a pervasive paranoia about concealed weapons permit holders that the logic just doesn’t support. If Florida has allowed people with concealed weapons permits into parts of airports for 20 years (9 of which have been post September 11) and there haven’t been any incidents relating to gun violence at airports then at so far, the law hasn’t been a detriment to anyone’s safety. On the other hand, guns are always banned on college campuses and there have been a number of handgun murders committed by people who are not licensed. In this case, it seems to be pushing the point to allow guns into airports.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/perverseus/ perverseus

    Gun control, speaking English, blah blah blah. You people need to get to the heart of the problem with airports — what is this zone seating shit? Who the hell decided that the idiot in seat 16E — the one with three carry-ons and an inability to get his fat ass out of the row so anyone else can pass — should get to sit down before the idiot in 34D, who inexplicably buckles his seat belt as soon as he sits down and then gets mad when the two idiots in seats 34E and 34F show up (separately, of course) and he needs to unbuckle his seat belt and stand up so they can sit down?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/rosaluxembourgeoise/ Rosa Luxembourgeoise

    As long as they keep the smoking lounge.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @CHILLBEARLATRIGUE: It’s very possible you and I shall never agree, save on the protection of the right to bear arms as expounded in the Second Amendment. All those concealed weapons wandering around Florida have done nothing to stop criminals from committing violent crime. I will continue to object to the false sense of security that guns provide.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    It’s anecdotal, but back on an earlier piece (I thought it was your The Spectre of The Gun, but it wasn’t there when I looked), I talked about the time that I protected my fiance and myself from an imminent attack at the parking garage of Bayside Marketplace in Miami. I didn’t shoot anyone, but it was the presence of the gun that protected me from a crime. I wasn’t a cop then, but I did have my Concealed Weapons Permit. The point is that the gun was very real security.

    @Perverseus: 34D is a great, um, seat size. Beware of 34E. Back problems.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/geodejane/ GeodeJane

    ChillBear: I’d like to see the papers of the employers, the contributions that they are making to UI, workers comp, healthcare, their payroll records, tax records. I assume that the day laborers are being offered the proper forms at the end of their shifts, so that they can declare their income. Same with the nanny’s, housekeepers, gardeners,etc. I’d like to see more paperwork from mah fellah Americans.
    Its a codified, classist system and it sucks for them. I understand that for many reasons, it is an improvement on the life left behind, but I’m not for making it harder. Baroness said it so well.
    Thank you for bringing Alan Rickman into the discussion. If only I could hear his voice. Next time, video please.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/marshmueller/ marshmueller

    OH! I always thought the Second Amendment covered the arms of bears:

    Bear Arms!

    Silly me.