No Jeez, Please–Just Maccabees!

December 11, 2009 in Holiday Angst, The Jews

And on the 9th day, the Maccabee boys restedMAMA PENGUINO:  I just passed a co-worker I cannot stand who asked, “Are ya ready for Christmas?” and I said, rather forcefully, “No, because I’m JEWISH.”  She said, “oh,” and I didn’t stick around to hear more.  How do life-long Jews handle this question (and this season) because it causes me horrible frustration every damn year.  On the one hand, I don’t want to sound like a PC bitch who has to correct everyone and let the world know she’s Jewish.  On the other, WTF?  Should I just suck it up because the majority of the people around me celebrate Christmas?  What do you do when someone says, “Merry Christmas?”

DAHLELAMA: I like to respond with an emphatic “Happy Holidays.” I find it has just the right mix of “polite” and “not everyone worships Jesus, asshole.” In truth, I haven’t bumped up against this particular issue too often, because I went to Jewish schools for the first twelve years of my schooling, capped off by a year of seminary in Israel where Christmas may as well not exist, and then followed by 4 years at NYU, which is basically just another Jewish school. Now, in my work life, I continue to make clear that I don’t care What Would Jesus Do by consistently asking to leave work early on Fridays and by not eating any of the exciting confectionary leftovers that might end up in the public breakroom. I find that these things, combined with my lack of Christmas spirit, really make employers and coworkers warm up to me.

MAMA PENGUINO:  Lucky you.  I’m surrounded.  Are you saying you have never had anyone ask you if you’re ready for the holidays (meaning Christmas)?  What about at the grocery store or the department store?

DAHLELAMA: Oh, I have, and that’s where the “Happy Holidays” comes into play. It gets me the occasional strange look, so I’m thinking of switching to “Happy Kwanzaa.”

The thing I find so interesting about it all is that Chanukah seems to be the most familiar holiday to non-Jews. They recognize the Menorah, they’ve generally heard of latkes, and they sure as hell know about the presents. In fact, I’ve had many a non-Jew suggest to me that Chanukah is the most important Jewish holiday, and I get the sense that had I asked for days off to celebrate Chanukah instead of Sukkot or Shavuot, I would not have gotten quite the same “WTF is that?” response. Ironically, though it’s got some nice benefits, a cool backstory, and what I imagine were some very sexy heroes, Chanukah is literally the least important holiday we’ve got.

MAMA PENGUINO:  Oh, yeah, I imagine the Maccabees to be these totally hot soldier-types all righteous and dripping with macho sex-appeal.  As for importance, I resent having to make as big a deal out of Hanukkah as I end up doing.  I feel like I have to provide Little Penguino with a rip-roaring Hanukkah so she won’t feel like the rest of the world is celebrating a holiday that features cookies, pretty lights and presents and she’s stuck eating worms, so to speak.  When we first met with her teacher, we gave her a list of the Jewish holidays that our synagogue sends to local schools and the first question the teacher had was whether we wanted to make sure Little P didn’t participate in any Christmas stuff they did at school.  I know, I know.  Careful to avoid any expectation that the school do something special for our child, we told the teacher it was okay for Little P to participate.  Am I guilty of assimilating?

DAHLELAMA: Eh, I’d do the same thing. Christmas looks awesome, and if my office gave me the chance to participate in light-hanging or tree-decorating, I’d probably take them up on it too. In fact, doing stuff “for the kids” is exactly how gift-giving got started on Chanukah in the first place. It’s literally nowhere in the Jewish tradition, but then the fancy goyim come along with their XBox 360s and their iPods and their Princess Unicorn dolls and now I have to spend hours scouring the Internet to find gifts for my siblings-in-law who hate everything. I blame the goyim for everything. Also, I suspect they’re secretly running Hollywood.

MAMA PENGUINO:  Okay, but that’s easy for you – lovely Jewess from the womb – but sometimes it feels like I’m being unfaithful.  Like, it’s okay for a “real” Jew to play along with the Christmas thing, but I was baptized in a Presbyterian church.  I actually had a woman at my synagogue say to me a few years ago, “Should I say Merry Christmas to you?  Do you guys celebrate it?” and she wasn’t being a bitch, but just wasn’t sure since I guess some converts still cling to Christmas.  I guess I’m saying that I feel like I have to be super-Jewish around the holidays or my conversion appears not to have taken.

DAHLELAMA: While I contest your implication that you are anything BUT a real Jew, I see your point. However, it seems to me that what you are struggling with in this instance isn’t a crisis of faith, or whether or not you secretly think Jesus still deserves a birthday party even though you’ve joined team “Mary Totally Got Laid”; rather, you are doing your best to ensure that Little P isn’t standing out in her class like a Democrat in Texas. And I can completely understand why some converts still cling to Christmas–it probably represents some of the most wonderful memories of their youths–but I still find that woman’s question inappropriate in that although I’m sure she meant it innocently, it’s both alienating and insulting to suggest that you’re not capable of going through with the full monty conversion. Continuing to observe Christmas may be understandable, but let’s not pretend it’s smiled upon at synagogue.

MAMA PENGUINO:  LOL at Mary Totally Got Laid.  I had this conversation with Little P this weekend.  She’s confused about Jesus and is he in heaven and who are his parents, etc., and I tried to talk about God being everything and how God is trees, clouds, flowers, mud, butterflies, snails, and so on, and how could snails have a baby named Jesus?  I said God cannot get someone pregnant and be a daddy to a baby – it just cannot happen.  But we know Jesus was Jewish, just like us, and he was part of God, just like we are.

DAHLELAMA: I should warn you now–your daughter is on the fast track toward becoming a philosophy major who thinks she’s going to go into academia but will eventually settle into law school with ambitions of doing pro bono as soon as she works in corporate just long enough to pay off her debt. What were we talking about again?

MAMA PENGUINO:  Not while I’m alive!  Mr. P and I have both told her we’ll pay for any higher education, but we are not paying for law school.  She’s going to have to really want it.  So tell me, why do you suppose we spell Hanukkah differently?  Is yours the “true” spelling?

DAHLELAMA: Er, I’d say closer to the true pronunciation–the Hebrew word “Chanukah” (lit. “dedication”) begins with the letter which in English is spelled “Het” but which is actually pronounced “khet,” i.e. with a guttural, hacking-up-a-hairball sound. The sound exists in Hebrew, Russian, and Arabic, among others, but not in English, and because the average English-speaker can’t pronounced it, the word has been anglicized into “Hanukkah.” Since I don’t pronounce it that way, I can’t bring myself to spell it that way, so I guess I treat it like another “damn the man,” in the tradition of “Happy Holidays.”

MAMA PENGUINO:  Oh, great.  I’ve been spelling it the Christian way all along.  I hate myself.

DAHLELAMA:  No, you’re spelling it the totally acceptable American way, and I’m spelling it like an asshole.

MAMA PENGUINO:  Then I want to be an asshole, too.

DAHLELAMA:  Excellent! What say we celebrate our new-found knowledge with some Manischewitz and latkes chez Bookish?

MAMA PENGUINO:  It’s a deal.  Let me get Little P in her wedding dress and I’ll meet you there.  It’s always been my dream that she marry a nice Jewish boy.  *sniff*

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/belltolls/ Belltolls

    What do you do when someone says, “Merry Christmas?”

    I generally say, “What’s so fucking “merry” about it.” But not for religious reasons.

    Nice piece. I learned stuff…against my will!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ Latterday Lenin

    Once I was old enough to know the difference, I started saying “Happy Holidays” to anyone I didn’t know for a fact to be Christian.

    It was forward thinking for a Mormon in Utah, but the only time I ever got in trouble was when I was speaking to people from the South when I was working at that call center.

    Ah, memories.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/voxpopuli/ VoxPopuli

    Yeah, I was just pondering the whole trumping up Hanukkah because of Christmas thing today. A Jewish friend of mine had asked for my address for holiday cards a few weeks ago and sure enough, a Christmas card – not holiday card – came in the mail a few days ago.
    I went out and bought a funny (hopefully not offensive coming from a non-Jew) Hanukkah card but felt a bit odd doing so because I’m aware that Hanukkah is not really a big deal for Jewish people. I was going to send a “happy holidays” card but they are plastered with red and green and holly without a hint of blue and that didn’t seem fair. Well, I figured it’s the thought that counts.

    Also, since we’re all learning stuff here – what is considered the most important Jewish holiday? I always thought Passover, but I’m not sure. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic school for eight long years, so my knowledge of Judaism is really spotty.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bigleggedwoman/ BigLeggedWoman

    Eh, this from a shiksa: I loved this post!

    Also:”DAHLELAMA: I should warn you now–your daughter is on the fast track toward becoming a philosophy major who thinks she’s going to go into academia but will eventually settle into law school with ambitions of doing pro bono as soon as she works in corporate just long enough to pay off her debt. What were we talking about again?”

    Hah!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bigleggedwoman/ BigLeggedWoman

    Fuck. Do I have to send a fucking email to some asshole who’s in “CHARGE” for one of you chicks to get a g-damned prize? ::I’m tired::

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/berightback/ berightback

    “I blame the goyim for everything. Also, I suspect they’re secretly running Hollywood.”

    HA!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/pinekatz/ Pinekatz

    I am nonreligious but I love the holidays. I put up a Christmas tree, decorate my house in blue and white lights and wish Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

    Besides, what we know of celebrating Christmas has nothing to do with Christ. If it did, we wouldn’t celebrate it with decorated conifers and presents. We’d go sleep in a barn during the census. Good luck everyone outside California. You’d freeze yer asses off! I’ll take my tree.

    I remember a friend of mine over near the Silicon Valley told me she and a bunch of other parents decorate the teacher’s lounge every Christmas of their PUBLIC SCHOOL. I asked her if there were any teachers that might be offended at that. Her response? Too bad.

    Oh boy, I was offended and I don’t even have a camel in that race.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/dahlelama/ DahlELama

    @Vox: High Holy Days aside, I’d have to say that, yeah, it’s probably Passover. In truth, there are three holidays that should theoretically be equal: Passover, Sukkot, and Shavuot. (Those are the three times that Jews used to go to Jerusalem during the year to make sacrifices and whatnot.) The first two are 8 days long, while Shavuot is only 2, so that drops out of the running for most important, and Sukkot is basically a harvest holiday and doesn’t really commemorate anything super essential, so it’s Passover FTW. Plus, Passover is awesomely ritualistic–there will definitely be a post on that one when the time comes.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ Latterday Lenin

    Hmm… Wordsmoker showed me this ad on this post.

    http://stacistory.com/connect.htm?gclid=CNufhPjWzZ4CFRSdnAodu0OUrQ

    VIRUS, you’ve got some ‘splaining to do!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/voxpopuli/ VoxPopuli

    @LL: Thank god they had those great graphics there to break it all down for me.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ Latterday Lenin

    The one with the chair was especially illuminating.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/uncivily-obedient-2-2/ uncivilly obedient

    @MAMA PENGUINO: People think that Chanukah is the celebration of a mircle that occurred when a little oil burned for eight days. The holiday is really a celebration of Judaism’s continued existence despite all the odds, over the millenia. So maybe it would be in the spirit of the holiday if Little P didn’t participate in any of her schools Christmas stuff.

    I get that she would be like a Democrat in Texas, but isn’t that the story of the Jews?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/misspeacock/ MissPeacock

    Ladies, I loved reading this. Thank you both so much for enlightening those of us who don’t know a lot about Judaism about Hanukkah/Chanukah. One thing that has always impressed me is that the Summit (one of B’hams largest malls) puts out large, oversize dreidels along with the reindeer and Santas at the mall entrance during the holiday season.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/voxpopuli/ VoxPopuli

    I would be way too tempted to get a bunch of friends together and find a way to spin that oversized dreidel. How do people resist the temptation?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @MissPeacock, @VoxPopuli: Did you know there is Major League Dreidel? Got that from Surviving the Holidays with Lewis Black off The History Channel, which, BTW, is an excellent guide to the holidays from Thanksgiving to New Year’s Day, for anyone and everyone.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    Sadly, what used to be a fairly congenial time of year, where everybody celebrated whatever. has now turned into an overly-PC, angst-ridden season, where people are simply glad to get it over with, rather than enjoy it. Between Christmas creep (why should Christmas decorations be available in October?), over-commercialization (just how many versions of “Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer do there need to be?), rampant consumerism (You want me to line up at 4 AM outside your lousy store, in the bitter cold and darkness, to get a good deal on a microwave?), the battle between Christians and Jews (Frankly, Christmas is no more about Christ’s birth nowadays, than Chanukah is a declaration of Jewish faith), and the fact that everyone gets all thoughtful and generous for a month, then promptly forgets about it the other eleven months of the year, I honestly have stopped caring much. I don’t even want to put up Christmas lights anymore!

    I don’t understand why people have to make a big deal out of any of it. Why does everyone feel the need to chat people up about their Christmas plans? Or go on-and-on about how much better/worse Chanukah is? What difference does it make who gets how many presents when?

    Look, this season marks the beginning of Winter. Everybody should celebrate, have a good time, drink, give presents, whatever they like, because come January, most of us will be freezing our ninnies off, shoveling snow, slogging through slush, cursing cold wind and icy sidewalks, and generally being grumpy until Spring. Take what joy and peace you can find out of it, but remember, too, there are plenty of us (especially this year) who will find nothing to celebrate, because they will be bereft of hope. Perhaps we are better off celebrating the season, in the manner of our faith, by reaching out to others, to helping those who cannot help themselves. Christian, Jew, Muslim, Wiccan, Buddhist… all religions tend to have precepts in their teachings that mention charity, and the need to help others. Let’s move away from the trappings of commercialism, the need for excess, and the divisions between us, and restore the spirit of the Winter Solstice, when we come together, thank the world for all it has given us, and give to those who are without.

    And for my Jewish friends, to make it clear to the dopes in your offices, I suggest you buy a two-foot high dreidel and park it outside your office/cube, and hopefully they’ll get the message.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ BookishLookish

    I married a Christian, so BL Jr. celebrates both holidays. Tonight we will be in shul with his little class of children of all colors and in a few weeks he will be down south with his grandparents doing the Xmas thing. When I am down there over the holiday and someone says, “Merry Christmas!” I say, “Thanks, I’m Jewish actually. You have a great holiday.” They blink at the exotic creature in their midst–a blonde, blue-eyed Jewess?–and give me a confused smile.

    At work it’s no biggie. I work in publishing not far from the diamond district, so it’s pretty Jewish around these parts. We have this amazing Bukharan Jewish (tribes of Napthali and Issachar, for those interested) restaurant where you can get the best borscht in the city. I’m going there in about an hour.

    By the way, the Jewish holiday where you are supposed to give gifts is Rosh Hashanah, which is the new year. You celebrate with new things. Chanukkah is fun, but a very minor holiday. Still, you celebrate them all, because why not? Fried food, presents, chocolate gelt, singing. What can be bad about that?

    This was fun, Mama P and Dahl. Penguino Jr. and BL Jr. true love 4evah!

    Oh, and the Israeli boys really do look like that.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Uncivil: I’m not sure why but this suggestion is making me feel like pulling out all my hair. I know you’re a wonderful person, so I’m going to shake it off. Mr. Penguino is going to Little P’s classroom next week and giving them all a lesson on Chanukah. Yesterday, Little P brought home a totally cute home-made menorah that she did in school. Her teacher is awesome and is doing what she can to be fair-minded. I’m going to save my parenting battles for something more important than Chanukah.

    @DahlE: Why aren’t the High Holy Days considered major? I spend an entire day starving and it doesn’t even trump Sukkot, which is totally fun? Between us, my all-time fave holiday is Tu B’Shevat and I “put it on” every year at my synagogue.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/dahlelama/ DahlELama

    @Mama P: “High Holy Days aside” was meant to suggest that of course they’re the most important, but those are ones I feel I people are more familiar with, so instead I will discuss the others which are less well-known.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/banjo-seakitten/ Banjo-SeaKitten

    MP: It comes so naturally to me to say “holidays”, or solstice for the hippies! and not Christmas…so simply done; flows off the tongue. I’ve been doing this forever and I grew up Catholic in AZ.

    To the NYers: Tonight, in San Diego, I’m looking forward the Channukah feast my good friend is preparing. She’s a fantastic cook and her in-laws will be there–former LES-ers who lend us their apartment on Grand St. when we’re in NYC. Is Full City Coffee still around?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/uncivily-obedient-2-2/ uncivilly obedient

    @ Mama Penguino: I’m not sure if your objection is because you think I was suggesting that there ought to be segregation between religions (was not) or that there is something intrinsically wrong with celebrating the holiday of another faith (was not). Was it about the idea of making your daughter sit on the sidelines and not joining in the festivities with her friends? I’m thinkning it is one of the former possibilities since you felt the need to preface it with a defense of my wonderfulness (character).

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Mama P- a question about little p’s school. Do they do the idiotic no after school anything on wednesday for “family night” (ccd is what it is really for)? I know they do in Nebraska and it used to make me sooooo mad. Even though my family is mostly Catholic it drives me crazy that public schools do that and yet allow after school activities to go as late as the want on Fridays. CDD doesn’t have to be Wed, but last time I checked the Jewish sabbath ALWAYS starts sundown friday right?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/gerbilsinlove/ gerbilsinlove

    This post makes me happy that my son attends a private school with a relatively well-represented Jewish population. Our children celebrate both holidays, my son knows what all the characters (letters?) on the driedel mean (and we have a few that he likes to teach his friends to play), and Rosh Hashana is a school holiday. We have a Winter program, where the kids sing/band plays songs from a number of faiths, not just Christmas songs. It’s a little hard for me to fathom a school that is not more diverse in this day and age, but maybe I’m naive.

    I am an athiest married to a (lapsed) Catholic, and our son has never received any religious education, so what he does know he gets from school. I know that he does not believe in God, but he does enjoy the music, lights, and in particular, the presents that magically appear under our tree Christmas morning.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Dahl: Not only am I a substandard Jew, but I can’t read for shit! Sorry! I skimmed right over that phrase.

    @Uncivil: My holiday angst and anguish is nearly crippling. The internal fight I had over whether to let Little P participate was epic. I finally reached the decision (with Mr. P and DahlE, of course) to allow her to participate (and really, what’s she going to do while the rest of them exchange gifts and have fun?) and then you said that and yes, you’re a wonderful person so I took what you said seriously, and I felt a flood of brand-new anguish. Little P does celebrate Xmas with her grandparents, so observing two holidays (I don’t think she even knows it’s ostensibly about Jesus) is not a problem. Again, it’s the concern about assimilating. I’m really doing everything I can. I live in a town of about 5,00 people in Kansas, for christ’s sake, and there are two Jewish famlies here, one of which is mine. We attend synagogue out of town – I’m on the synagogue board, in fact, so my daughter spends lots of extra time there attending meetings with me, etc. – which means I commute to work or to a synagogue every day of my life. I guess your comment made me feel guilty, like I’m not doing enough, or I don’t take a stand like I should. Have you ever worked so hard for something and then had someone suggest you weren’t working hard enough?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @SS: I have no idea what CCD is, but I don’t believe Wednesday nights are sacred at Little P’s school. Sounds freaky.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @Mama Penguino: You’re doing what you think is best for your daughter — that should be good enough for anyone. Ditch the angst.

    Heck, my daughter is 4-years-old and still has not been baptized into the Catholic faith, owing to my wife’s falling out with the church at the time of her mother’s death, and my ambivalence. Eventually we may, as my wife’s faith is renewed, and if so, I’ll go along. Eventually, my daughter will reach an age where she can question things, and she’ll make up her own mind at that point.

    Oh, and CCD? Confraternity of Christian Doctrine — the teaching of the Catholic faith, what is usually also known as “Sunday School.”

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/uncivily-obedient-2-2/ uncivilly obedient

    @Mama Penguino: Sorry to have spurred a crisis of conscious.

    In the utopian and egalitarian society that is Wordsmoker, everyone can do as they please without judgement. I didn’t write my comment in any manner other than just to tell you my own opinion. Here we can enjoy a free exchange of ideas and opinions. I was in no way criticizing your decision.

    Little P is luckier than the rest of us, she has two traditions to celebrate, not just one.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Uncivil: So you know, the minute her grandparents kick the bucket (and at 80 and 90, it won’t be too long, which is one of the reasons we let her have Christmas there – I’m going to tell a 90-yr-old WWII vet who almost died on Guadalcanal and still takes anti-depressants for PTSD and rubs anti-fungal cream on his toes for jungle rot that because of our new-found religious beliefs, he will not be able to give his only grandchild a present?), Christmas is over. So I see it less a matter of her celebrating two traditions than I do giving in to school and her grandparents for a single day each. Also, I’m a living, breathing crisis of conscience so it’s nothing I can’t handle. SO FAR.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Newt- In nebraska CCD is taught on Wed night. Then sunday is even more church. the catholics there are HARD CORE!!!

    Mama- it is freaky

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/ninahagen/ Nina Hagen

    I put Eid stamps on my holiday cards last year.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    In spite of overwhelming odds against it, I also learned from this post. I used to work out at the gym of our local Jewish Community Center. It had a first rate gym that was never crowded. However, I used to feel like the Jews who went there viewed me as an outsider. Now, I realize that was mainly because I am an outsider. Although I have done a lot to educate myself about the plight of the Jews, I know virtually nothing of the Jewish religion or culture . However, I do know that there are a lot of feasts. I do absorb a lot of culture through feasts, if anyone wants to invite me to one.

    I live in a section of Florida with a large Jewish population. I learned to say “Merry Christmas” if I knew that the person was a Christina, “Happy Chanukah” if I knew that they were Jewish and “Happy Holidays” if I wasn’t 100% sure of either. If I occasionally screwed it up and said the wrong thing, I would hope that the receiver of the greeting could tell that the intent of my message was sincere.

    @MamaP: When I was a kid, Christmas was about presents and Easter was about baskets and hunts. When I got older I learned the significance of the holidays. Now, I am a third or fourth rate Catholic at best, but I had a lot of fun with the holidays when I was a kid. I think you’re a good mom and a good observer of your religion. You’ll know when it’s time to draw the line. Just one man’s opinion.

    @BLW:

    Fuck. Do I have to send a fucking email to some asshole who’s in “CHARGE” for one of you chicks to get a g-damned prize? ::I’m tired::

    500 words on why you think that this piece should get a prize should be sufficient. Please, do your own work. I don’t want to find out that your parents helped you.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @Strawberry Shortcake: Hardcore? I’m picturing gangs of Catholics on Harleys, black leather jackets with big white crosses painted on the back, roving the highways to mete out Jesus’ teachings.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @Mama Penguino: Grandpa fought on Guadalcanal? Can I give him a present, such a hale-and-hearty “thank you” and my undying gratitude for his sacrifice?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Chillbear: This means a lot to me. Thank you!

    @Newt: Oh, man. You ought to hear Papa’s (what Little P calls him) story. One of a several kids, had to leave home when he was in his early teens because his family couldn’t feed him, he lived and worked on a “poor farm” until he was sent to the war. He also lost his hearing young from the rifle fire on Guadalcanal. When he came home, he worked nonstop. He went from having nothing – some might say less than nothing – to his current 1500 acres. His entire life he worked an 8-5 job as the supervisor of a county road crew for the KS Dept. of Transportation and then farmed full-time, simultaneously. At 90, he still gets on his tractor and tries to do odd jobs around the farm (which is mostly rented out). He tips the tractor about every 3-6 months, but manages to get back on it some weeks later. He is un-fucking-stoppable.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/anonymous/ Because Sexus, Plexus and Nexus

    Not having faith in anything is so liberating. Although it does make me hit the egg nog a bit hard.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    on a happy note, my office is mostly jewish so today we are celebrating hanukkah. we have had so many vistors today and I have gotten all sorts of kosher chocolate. YAY JEWS!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ BookishLookish

    @SS: Yay!

    @BC: You don’t have to believe in God to be Jewish. Just hang for the parties.

    @CL: As you say you know virtually nothing of the Jewish religion or culture, I am prepared to give you a crash course. We’ll be jumping ahead a bit, as I’m sure you got most of Genesis through osmosis. Turn to chapter 4 of The Song of Solomon, the tale of the “locked garden”: “Awake, O north wind, and come, O south wind! Blow upon my garden that its fragrance may be wafted abroad. Let my beloved come to his garden, and eat its choicest fruits.”

    People always wonder aloud why Jews are so sexy, at least they do to me. It’s not that hard to figure. 1) We read a lot. It’s part of the religion. 2) We talk a lot. It’s part of the religion. 3) We fuck a lot. It’s part of the religion.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/baroness/ Baroness

    Thank you DahlE and Mama P for this wonderful dialogue. Entertaining, enlightening, seriously funny – you two both have such distinctive voices, and this duet was marvellous. Wonderful post, maybe my favorite of this year winding down. Hope you do more.

    (What I sorely need is to know about your Days of Atonement thing, clearly and desperately. At the appropriate holiday, it’d be great to hear of that as well. Happy Chanukah and a lovely New Year to you both. )

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    Thanks, Baroness! xxoo

    Report from the first night of candle lighting: five kids, all under 6 yrs old, stuffing their little faces with gelt. Little P grabbed about 1/3 of the challah and I found pieces of it all through the house. Me: “Why are there pieces of challah all over house?” Her: “We wanted to baby to follow us.” Don’t ask. Main point – my cousin told me that the room mother for Little P’s class wanted to incorporate Chanukah at their party next week. Seriously, these are good people. Really made my evening.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    Happy Hanukkah, Mama P! I’ve always been annoyed that us Jesus freaks don’t get to celebrate all of the Jewish holidays, especially since sweet baby Jesus was a Jew, and (therefore) our religion couldn’t even exist without yours. Hope Little P enjoys her party!
    xoxo

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/misterhippity/ MisterHippity

    Great piece, you two.

    I grew up in a northern Westchester town whose population was probably at least 20% jewish. So I was accustomed, at a very young age, to not saying Merry Christmas to anyone you weren’t sure was a Christian.

    After the holidays were over, the standard question for other kids in school I didn’t know well was: “What did you get for Christmas or Hanukkah?”

    A lot of times, they’d answer without even clarifying which was correct: “I got a bicycle. I got a bb gun.” The important thing was the toys, not the religious event.

    To this day, I can’t fathom the notion of saying “Merry Christmas” to a stranger. It just seems such a rude and inconsiderate thing to do.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bigleggedwoman/ BigLeggedWoman

    Commander McBragbear: I already have a boss. This site, for me, is recreational.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @BLW: Yes, I’m sure with your resistance to suggestion, you’re employee of the month every time. Could you at least tell me what kind of award about which you were thinking?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/forwardmotion/ forwardmotion

    Note to everyone: I am available for all “festival of light/festival of renewal” themed parties this season, whatever holiday they might be technically be celebrating. I know Christmas Carols and speak a smattering of Hebrew. I can open presents and stand by supportively as you light the menorah. I also appreciate a good Winter Solstice gathering.

    *FoMo sits expectantly by her mailbox*

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bigleggedwoman/ BigLeggedWoman

    Dahl, MP: what kinda award ya want?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/dahlelama/ DahlELama

    @BLW: I’ve always thought it would be cool to win a Tony. Thanks!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bigleggedwoman/ BigLeggedWoman

    Dahl – I’ll get right on it. Your real last name is Sondheim, right?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bigleggedwoman/ BigLeggedWoman

    Seriously, Chill – I sent you a PM on this topic not too long ago. Thanks and bless your heart.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    Guess what this Waspy-Catholic did tonight? That’s right, take part in a menorah lighting AND sing Chanukah carols! It was the BOMB-DIG. I also received some Chanukah gelt, which was pretty darn sweet.
    @ForwardMotion: Could you make it this Wednesday? White Elephant gift-giving, nothing more than 5 bucks! You’ll LOVE it!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    Oh, and I would just like to say that lighting the menorah is really fun, even though it made me feel like an old person… cannot believe I’m pulling the DD to go to parties out in the ‘burbs now!
    But really, if Jesus were on Facebook he would totally “like” this.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/forwardmotion/ forwardmotion

    SFBIRDIE: You are sweet! I feel popular.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/lawyergay/ lawyergay

    As an avowed atheist who grew up celebrating the profoundly consumerist meta-holiday of “Christmas” and then learned to renounce even that, I guess I would say that it doesn’t really bother me when people say “Merry Christmas” to me. This might strike some as an odd and unexpected lacuna in what is ordinarily my fully-stocked armory of indignation.

    We always had a tree in the house when I was a kid. We never, ever went to church (except that one time after the local First Congregational became an “open and affirming” sanctuary for us gays).

    A tree is just…pretty? And festive and fun. That’s what “Merry Christmas” means to me: A way of other people who almost certainly don’t know anything about me (or know any better) saying “Enjoy this season.” They would probably just as happily say “Happy holidays,” which is what I always say when the opportunity presents itself.

    In New England, there are really only about 6 weeks (at most) of “magic” when the snow starts to fall and the landscape gets white and then this incredible new-seeming blue at times, and there is this strange giant beautiful delicious-smelling and magnificent plant from the woods that is suddenly incorporated into the household activities and that is absolutely resplendent with lights and ornaments.

    As of January 15 or so, it’s all frigid grimness–the front-door wreath is rusty and the resplendent tree has dimmed and has probably been hurled into the backyard by your mother in a fit of what has increasingly become an annual Christmas rage–followed almost always by a weird warm spell, followed by more frigid grimness, followed by mud. In May, things start to get better.

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