The Burning Question: Female Wingmen

October 21, 2009 in Dating

conversationThere has been a lot of talk lately about whether or not women are able to be Wingmen. Many of you may not know this, but I have written a series of short stories about Wingmen that are loosely based on the actual exploits of my friends and I. Although these stories are fictitious, all of the techniques that are described have been used effectively at one point or another.

In order to present my case on female Wingmen (a confusing term in and of itself ), I have chosen the classic interview as my method of conveyance. Due to my respect for the highbrow humor that is prevalent on Wordsmoker, this is the only Chance Ransom story that has ever been submitted to the site. However the seriousness of the topic has forced me to unleash Ransom on you all. May God have mercy on my soul. Don’t believe in God? You may want to reconsider before reading on…

A Continued Conversation With Chance Ransom – By Miles B. Harrington

In 2008, I was fortunate enough to have an interview with noted Wingman, Chance Ransom. However, our dialogue was interrupted for reasons that are still not known to this reporter. The last question that I asked was, “Has there ever been a female Wingman?” That question has gone unanswered, until now.

Mr. Ransom agreed to a short telephonic interview about the specific subject of female Wingmen. The following is a verbatim transcript of that conversation.

MH: Because I know you are pressed for time, I want to get directly to the questions, but thank you for taking my call.

CR: It’s my pleasure.

MH: Female Wingmen. Is there such a thing?

CR: Look, there’s a lot of confusion about what a Wingman is. I think it would be better if we defined terms before we talk about who can and can’t be a Wingman.

MH: What do you mean?

CR: I’m a professional Wingman. I have a strict set of rules and a code of conduct. There are only a handful of people like that in the world. That doesn’t mean that a guy in a bar can’t help his buddy pick up a girl. He’s just not trained to do it, but the outcome can still be successful.

MH: Interesting, but you mention men. What about women calling themselves “Wingmen” or I’ve also heard “wing-women?”

CR: I will get to that, but I will tell you that there are no professional females in my line of work. Now I suppose that there are amateur women doing the same kind of thing for their friends that the men do. I imagine that happens often enough.

MH: So women helping their girlfriends score with guys?

CR: No, that would be absurd. Women have every natural advantage in that respect. It would be more like women helping their male friends hook up. What you’re suggesting is like designing a car with an extra set of tires on top in case the world turned upside down while you were driving through a parking garage.

MH: So if I can understand what you are telling me, there is never a situation where a girl helps another girl have sex with a guy?

CR: No. You have to understand that it’s not the Wingman who defines himself. It’s also not the person who he’s helping that defines him. It’s the target. If the target is a heterosexual guy then the pursuer or principal, as we call it in the trade, doesn’t need a Wingman. Heterosexual guys will have sex with any woman within reason. Remember there are at least three parties in every Wingman transaction. It’s the target that defines the mission.

MH: What if the target is good looking confident guy and the principal is an unfortunately unattractive woman? Surely then she needs a Wingman, right?

CR: Again you’re confusing what a Wingman does. He’s not a magician. He can remove obstacles and facilitate desires, but he can’t really get anyone to do something that he or she doesn’t want to do on some level. Switch it back around to the more conventional situation. When I go out with a client and I see that there is clearly no interest on the part of the target…well, let’s just say I don’t take those cases. It would be setting myself up for failure. On the other hand, if there’s any sort of potential, then I’m going to remove the obstacles.

MH: What are those obstacles, Chance?

CR: The biggest thing is the girlfriends. They always like to hover about and protect the target. Some of them are completely hostile. They know what I’m all about and are looking for me to do exactly what I’m going to do. They see right through me even if they don’t know my professional status. My art is to do it anyway. Whether they hate me or love me later is of no consequence. Other things could be a boyfriend, drugs, insecurity. You know. Things like that. Sometimes it’s something as simple as a pet cat or dog that gets in the way.

MH: Okay, but you still haven’t answered my question. Can women be Wingmen?

CR: Why couldn’t they? Do you really think that they’re all that different?  But if you’re asking me whether there are women out there that do what I do? Absolutely not. It takes more than just matching up a coat and hat and hitting the local pub. With training… let me tell you something. If women were ever trained to be Wingmen, it would be the end of the days.

MH: Come on, Chance.

CR: What do you mean: “come on?” They’re better than us at this game. That’s the whole reason why people like me were created. We live and die by secrecy. When was the last time was that you sat across the table from a woman when you didn’t know that she already had your number?

MH: Well, I…

CR: You never have. It doesn’t happen. When we hang up, I want you to Google The Norton-Fallsburg Experiment. It was an attempt by my organization to train female Wingmen. Do you know why it failed?

MH: I have no idea.

CR: It didn’t. They terminated the experiment because the results frightened them. They told us it had to do with the unreliability of women when it came to going up against their own. To a certain extent that was true, but they also knew that if our tactics ever fell into the wrong hands, it would spell our demise.

MH: How…umm…terrifying?

CR: I’m about to drop the phone into the cradle.

MH: My apologies. Chance, what about the women who go out in the bars every day and help their girlfriends navigate the cesspool that is the singles scene?

CR: God, I hate the way you talk, Harrington. Those women are heroes or villains. It’s all a matter of perspective. Selfless, caring, bitchy, greedy. They look out for their girlfriends and not you, but they’re also not Wingmen. My mentor once told me, “We are basset hounds, fetching food for our masters.”  There’s nothing all that noble about what I do. Being a Wingman has gotten a pretty nice reputation in he past few years. People want to be like us. It’s the new fad, but the reality is that it’s not what they think it is. It’s a thousand nights of mashing cigarettes in an ashtray and drinking whiskey dregs from the bottom of a dirty glass. It’s hundreds of conversations about ex-boyfriends and sick cats. If you like hearing about weight loss plans and who’s swapping fluids in the tabloids, by all means, have at it.

MH: For my readers…

CR: But it’s not going to happen overnight. You can’t become a Wingman by just declaring it.

MH: Sorry. I didn’t mean to interrupt. So, for my readers, you’re saying that women could be Wingmen, but that world is closed to them because they can’t receive the training and even if they could they would be unnecessary instruments?

CR: Women do not need Wingmen. The mission of a Wingman is already accomplished when his principal is a woman. However, if they were trained, it would render actual Wingmen ineffective. The only way that a Wingman can ever truly be effective is to operate under the cover of darkness.

MH: So, why are you doing it, Chance? Why are you sabotaging yourself? You know you’re giving it all up.

CR: That’s a good question, but right now I need a drink. I hope you got what you needed.

An abrupt click announced that the interview was over as the phone went dead.

Miles Harrington is a freelance writer.

The original interview can be read here: A Conversation With Chance Ransom

So there you have it. To be honest with you, I kind of thought that Chance would be a little more on my side, being that he is my fictitious character, but there you have it. What have we learned?

- While women are innately superior in this arena, they lack the proper training to be effective Wingmen.

- Even if they were so trained, their mission would only have meaning if they were helping men pick up women or possibly women picking up other women.

- If the target is not a woman, you really don’t have a Wingman situation.

- Women helping other women in bars, while possibly noble, is not Wingman work.

Well, I hope that this clears things up for you, but I will stick around in the comment section for follow up questions.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    So if I can understand what you are telling me, there is never a situation where a girl helps another girl have sex with a guy?

    Wrong. My wife, before I met her, was really good at this. She even corrupted a Mormon friend — I kid you not.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    Between us, I really dislike the term wingman – of course, I haven’t been in a bar in 10 years, either – but your premise is flawed, ChillyChillyBoBilly. Back when I made the scene, we girls regularly helped set up situations where a certain girl would be thrown together with a certain guy. Maybe the task wasn’t completely the same – removal of friends, for example – but the idea was to make the boy notice the girl and obstacles were still overcome. If you insist on defining wingman only one way – your way – of course you’re going to argue that women cannot be wingmen.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Newt: I would be hard pressed to believe that the sex couldn’t have happened without your wife’s help.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @CHILLBEARLATRIGUE: She has amazing powers. Beware… BEWARE!!!!

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gone into a bar and met women I had no intention of having sex with, when suddenly their girlfriends intervened in ways that made it impossible to say no. Dastardly wing-angels.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/perverseus/ perverseus

    I think women have the capacity to be wingmen, but let’s face it, y’all find it much more entertaining to watch guys like me flounder at attempts to be suave. Or a good dancer. Or remotely interesting. Despite the fact that he is an imaginary literary figure, Chance Ransom is a hero and a patriot. Let us not question his wisdom.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    Is Chance friends with Mystery? Because that guy really kinda bothered me.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/lawyergay/ lawyergay

    Female wingmen are an absolute must for picking up gay guys.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    @Lawyer: Funny you should say that – I’ve found having a gay wingman to be quite helpful when picking up straight guys… nice to hear it works both ways?

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    exactly lawyergay and sfbirdie! @chillbear or chance ransom or whatevs: WHAT ABOUT THE GEIGHS?!?!?! so lesbians can have wingpeople but not the geighs because the target is not a woman?!?! I CALL BULLSHIT ON THIS WHOLE THING!

    that sounded mean, i didn’t mean it to be…

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/monkeyrash/ monkeyrash

    I saw “burning question” and thought somebody needed antibiotics. I’ll go back to work now.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @MamaP: It sounds more like you are talking about a Sadie Hawkins dance. Have you ever thought about that poor girl Sadie Hawkins? Asked one guy out during a dry spell and now she has her name plastered all over all of these dances. Regrettable. On your point, you could probably take every specific thing that a Wingman (objection noted) and say, “Hey, I’ve done that before! I’m a Wingman,” but catching a football doesn’t make you an NFL wide receiver.

    @KneeToe: Move to the front of the class.

    @Perv: I agree with what you say. Take a seat next to KneeToe.

    @SFBirdie: Chance’s only real friend killed himself. Gunshot to the head. Don’t feel awkward. You didn’t know. I never read The Game. It seemed pretty stupid to me. Their whole objective is to create openings and charm a girl for a few minutes until she gives up her digits. However, you make my point. You don’t see anyone trying to sell books to women on how to pick up a man. How to meet a man, yes, but not how to sleep with them.

    @LG: I will have to bow to your greater experience in these matters. I have never winged for a gay guy before. I suppose that it would be a valid point if the target dude and his friends behaved in the same manner that women do. Even still, I am so confident in my winging skills that I’m sure that I could surpass your female friends. I’d have to know a little more before I called them Wingmen.

    @Tig: I’ve actually winged for a lesbian before. The odd thing was, she was kind of against my helping her. Further proof that if you play around to much with the gender roles it complicates my job.

    Ladies, I don’t know what more you need? Chance clearly said that you guys are better at this then men. The problem is that any woman that’s reading this could go out tonight and hook up without help. Having a Wingman is just another mug to which you have to say “goodbye” when you walk out with the dude that you could have picked up without her. It’s like bringing your barber with you to a bank robbery. Absolutely not essential to the mission.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Chill: Okay okay okay! What do I know? As I stated previously, I haven’t been in a bar for over 10 years. And I was being careful. The truth is I probably haven’t been in a bar for 15 or 20 years. And since I’m being completely honest, I will say that I do not approve of old people going to bars to meet one another! That’s right, mom, looking down on me from heaven. YOU WIN!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @MamaP: Thank you. That’s all that I wanted to hear. Although, I don’t get the old thing.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Chill: My mother told me I shouldn’t meet men in bars – and further stated emphatically that once a woman reaches a certain age – probably about 30 or so – she shouldn’t go to bars anymore.

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @ mama p: uh oh… that leaves me only 2 more years of bar hopping! what happens after 30? where will i go to meet my next conquest(s)? and how do i spend my weekends/evenings then??? this is all shit they don’t tell you in school!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Tig: I think we’re all supposed to attend balls after 30.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Tig: I know! I have no idea, but she was emphatic about this. My sister met her husband in a bar and then were divorced after 6 years and of course this was because she met him in a bar.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @MamaP: How about at motels?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @Chill: This is awful, but it’s not my viewpoint, so here goes: it’s okay for men to continue to go to bars after age 30. I know, I know! My own feelings about this whole meeting people thing are mixed. If you want to hook-up – a “pleasure” I’ve known more times than necessary – then bars are the best place. Go meet someone, have sex for a night or two, and see you later. If you’re looking to meet someone because you want to be in a relationship – or you’re tired of being alone and don’t want just sex – I think you should do three things: (1) become a volunteer somewhere; there’s no better place to meet people than volunteering – I had a friend who organized the “green” volunteers in Kansas City and she said they were all dating and fucking like crazy – I met my own husband while working at a homeless shelter; it’s healthy and the people are usually pretty nice, (2) be open to dating; that is, tell your friends and their friends that you’re available and you just want to do some dating; sure, you’ll have some duds, but you’ll probably meet many sincere, interesting people, and (3) join a sports team of some kind, whether it’s a running club, a co-rec softball team, or a group of walkers; not only will you meet new people, you’ll be getting fit at the same time, which may seem stupid, but when your body is pumping those endorphins, you’ll not only feel sexy, you’ll look sexy to others.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ BookishLookish

    @MP: I met my husband at a bar on St. Mark’s Place. But I’m a harlot, as you know. Bars are very healthy places, I’ve found. And you can get a drink. You can’t wear high heels, fishnets and lipstick in a homeless shelter. Well, you can, but it makes the homeless feel bad because they don’t have that, and then you have to take them shopping. Which is also fine, but it can get expensive.

    @Chill: I am not convinced. It’s kind of adorable that you want to hold on to some things for men only, since women have kind of ruined the world by demanding equality in all things, but again, I must submit: winging knows no gender. And Ganesh, remover of obstacles, worships at my feet.

    Also, women like three things: men in kilts, Southern Comfort, and “Wicked Game” by Chris Isaak.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    Also want to say, and this is crucial: QUIT LOOKING. The minute you decide, “oh, fuck it, I’m going to live my life in the most wonderful way possible,” you will meet someone.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    @BL: Hey, we’re just two old married ladies who did it different ways. There’s no right way, no wrong way – just people and situations that either make you feel comfortable or they don’t. I know plenty of people who have met in bars, on the Internet, you name it. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t. I have zero idea what St. Mark’s Place is, but it’s probably no better or worse than a homeless shelter for meeting men. At the end of the day, if it’s what you want and it makes you happy and feel good, who am I to say don’t do it? Pass on the Southern Comfort, although I loved that shit in high school! Go figure.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/mama-penguino-2-2-2/ Mama Penguino

    P.S. to BL: There’s nothing wrong with a good bar. I spent a good portion of my childhood in them with mean, drunk grown-ups, so they’re not as enticing to me as they are to many.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    @Mama: You are totally right about the “quit looking” part. It’s true, it happens. Dammit, and I was a little annoyed it happened because that’s what my mother’s been telling me for SO long.

    @Book: Ooohhh I’m gonna bust out the SoCo and the compact disc tonight and play me some CI. I forgot how much I love him.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bjonston/ BJonston

    @Chill: Police officers have balls?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Hey turns out you guys have a theme song

    or we can replace you with phone..

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    SF – did you say mystery?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    and it seems you guys are hot commodity to other guys

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    wow you tube just has so much on this subject

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @SS: After watching some of these videos, I’m a little grossed out. I may get out of the business. One and two were really good though.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Chill- the mystery one alone should make any man want to kill him!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    SS – AUGHHHH NO MORE MYSTERY! Seriously, I think I get the clap just watching that bastard. Or horrible, cliche tattoos and uncomfortable piercings.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/voxpopuli/ VoxPopuli

    I believe women can be wingmen, however there is one problem that can emerge: the target will be into the wingwoman and ONLY the wingwoman and not the target. Having been on the very humble end of such a result, I had to answer tons and tons of questions from said guy about my friend who was trying to fix us up. Yeah, that wasn’t humiliating at all.

    Have we talked about the horror that is speed dating yet? I’m gonna have to get some ice cream to delve into that.

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @SF: you know who is worse than mystery? his followers!!!!!true story, this year i celebrated my bday in scottsdale and the hotel we were staying in was also hosting one of those learn to pick up womenz workshops. my friend and i had the pleasure of meeting the leader of this “bootcamp” (his words), who followed those stupid mystery pick up rules/neil strauss’ book the game to the T! he would insult me and then be super nice to my friend, all sorts of inappropriate comments and apparently that was supposed to get him into my pants. epic fail on his part… pisses me off just thinking about that dude – what girl does that shit work on?!?!?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Tig- I have no idea who that works on and I am a sucker for cheesy pick-up lines. I once gave a guy my real number after this pick-up line was reading my palm. cheesy but it was cute

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @ss: pick-up lines i understand, in fact i made one up yesterday while watching paranormal activity*, i just don’t understand all of these insult the girl, talk to her friends, ignore someone and generally act an ass business…

    *pick-up line: there’s a demon in pants and i was wondering if you could exorcise it.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ BookishLookish

    @tig: Oh, the “The Game” men. I met one of those a while back when I was out winging for a recently divorced friend. We were in a hotel bar in midtown, very fancy and hip, full of tourists, not my kind of place at all. Well, my friend is a knockout so he zeroed in on her. He tried that “insult the wingman thing/praise the target” on me and so he left me no choice but to reduce him to near-tears.

    Neil Strauss is an ugly, evil little man. I grind those “Game” boys’ bones to make my bread.

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    Tbitties: Don’t you mean exercise it?

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @BL: ha! he fucked up the rules already! he was supposed to praise you and insult your friend. ’cause apparently girls like to be insulted and that is some sort of panty dropper… they get so flustered when they realize you know what is going on!

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @beesknees: i did… GET IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ BookishLookish

    @tig: It’s all a bunch of fucking nonsense and it doesn’t work either way you do it. If you want to get into someone’s pants, be sweet and keep the drinks flowing. That insulting business? You’re getting my wrath, or a knee to the goolies.

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @BL: are you inside my head?!?!?! this is why i like you so very much!!! that and i don’t want a knee to my goolies! if i could i would totally crash one of those workshops and tell them they’re doing it wrong!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/ BookishLookish

    @tig: Nah, just torch the joint, Shoshanna Dreyfus style. Any man idiotic and evil enough to think that “How to Pick Up Women” shit works obviously despises us and deserves to die violently.

    Wooh, the anger–I’ve got an ish today! One of the “Game” boys would tell me I need to get fucked really hard, no doubt. Yeah, honey, and the sky is blue and the sea is green.

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    Tbitties: Just checking.

    BL: Don’t like that way of connecting “knee” and “goolies.” If I’m sweet can you re-formulate?

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @BL: after the anger subsides, do you start to feel a little sad for those guys who try to use the game? i do… it must be terrible to suck at life so hard.

    @beesknees: but didn’t a knee to the goolies make you giggle just a little bit?

  • http://wordsmoker.com Dr. Moviestar

    No way, broheim. A guy who needs help peeling a girl out of a pack isn’t carrying his own weight and is holding you back from getting belt deep in the bathroom. Why should someone with your skillz have to run interference with the chaff when your beta-male buddy gets to reap the wheat? Tell him to pick the plain jane of the bunch (every group of girls has one to make the rest look hotter) and be grateful he even gets to hang out with you.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Tig et al: I hope I made it clear that I have no connection with these Game people. I write about a fictional character who is awesome, because he is also a gentlemen. I would never insult a woman just because I thought that I would somehow gain from it.

    @BL:

    “I met one of those a while back when I was out winging for a recently divorced friend.”

    I put the impossible part in bold.

    Dr.: There is nobility in sacrifice, but I like the cut of your jib.

  • http://wordsmoker.com Lance Steelington

    @CB: Hi. Well, for quiet some time i have been the wingman to most of my buddies, the tag along funny guy. I’m a pretty good looking guy but extremely shy. My question is that i want the be the “main” guy in my group of friends and not just another tag along funny guy. I talk a lot around my buddies and not at all when with other people. My second problem is that some girls are interested in me when they first see me but when i first start talking to them i choke and don’t know what to say. Thanks

  • http://wordsmoker.com Lance Merryweather PI

    Heh.

    It’s all very simple. There’s really no need to make this quite so complicated.

    Have you considered not giving a shit? What’s she gonna do? Reject you? Slap your face with her stinging but delicately manicured hands and walk away?Do you know what it means to have a beautiful woman mock you with her smile?

    It means you have her attention. It means somewhere somehow she has noticed you. And she’s laying down a challenge. The question is, my friend, are you up to it?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/monkeyrash/ monkeyrash

    I like the private dick.

  • http://wordsmoker.com tigolbitties

    @lance steel: when you say you choke, what does that mean? you just don’t say anything or you say ridiculous things?

    also, i like that you asked chilly for advice – i think there should be an advice column around these parts!!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    @Tigol: Sorry I did not see your story before – WHAT THE HELL? Who are these idiotic people who follow him anyway? Next time, bring a vat of lighter fluid, douse, then walk away. I know, I know, and I usually am not one to advocate violence, but these people were not meant to a. survive, in the terms of “survival of the fittest”, because they obviously are not the fittest (in more ways than one) and b. breed (with similar reasoning for reason a).
    We should start a Myster-Hunter group… like bounty hunters, only a bunch of ladies who go after these douchebags who should obviously never even THINK nor have the OPPORTUNITY to reproduce. Seriously. We could even make up a fun name! Maybe get a reality show on A&E! It would be awesome!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    who are all these Lances? are any of you actually Lance Bass or Armstrong? or Lord Lancelot?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    @SS: Careful, they might lance you with their… lot…
    @Tigol: I think it should be a weekly thing – one or two writers act as the therapists, advice columnists, etc. for each week. It’ll be fun! Mama Penguino and Chill can start.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/voxpopuli/ VoxPopuli

    @SS: I suspect that at least one of them may be Lancenotsomuch based on his opinion of da ladiez, even if it is satire.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Mr. Steelington: I think that you need to quit being so shy. I mean, come on. That’s kind of obvious isn’t it? Some girls like shy guys though. Unfortunately that means that you have to sit and wait. I couldn’t do it.

    @Mr. Merryweather: Bravo. Very wise words.

    We’re probably coming up to the act where I find that these two are actually women or a woman posing as men to dupe me.

    @Tig: Thank you. I was thinking that maybe his windpipe was obstructed.

    @Birdie: I find it inexplicable myself. I know some of the things that attract women, but I don’t always understand why. One of my best female friends is attracted to guys that ride motorcycles. When I ask her why, she says because “it’s hot.” I’ve tried to explain to her that there is a difference between a feature and a purchase, but you can’t dictate to someone else what they should and shouldn’t like. Unfortunately, there’s a group of women who apparently go for this kind of thing.

    @SS: I think any guy can claim the name “Lance” because of its phallic connotation.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/captainfantastic/ CaptainFantastic

    Remember “The Rules,” some sort of rulebook for women to snag men (mid-90s?)? Like never call them, never accept a date for the weekend after Wednesday, and shit like that.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Chill- does that mean any girl can call herself some version of the word ‘kitty” since it has a vagina connotation?

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    @Captain: you mean this? Never saw it before now… looks like a time-tested method though – I mean, there’s a RING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COVER! The Rules

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    SF and Cap- then there is this gem that proves women aren’t crazy bitches trying to trap guys into marriage.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @CAPTAINFANTASTIC: You still see copies of it at garage sales or dumped along roadsides.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @SS: I’m okay with it, Kitty.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Chill- i prefer Kitten thank you very much.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @SS: You women are so complicated. You just said…never mind, Kitten. You did say “some version.”

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    We’re complicated because we’re wonderfullllllllllll!

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Bird: You will never get any argument from me about that.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/strawberry-shortcake/ Strawberry Shortcake

    Chill- You are suppossed to know what I mean not just what I say. but its fine nothing is wrong

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/sfbirdie/ sfbirdie

    @Chill: You’re so sweet. That just made my friday.