RIP GOP: 1865 to 2009

October 2, 2009 in republicans

While it is certainly too early to prognosticate the results of the 2010 elections more than a year before they happen, it is equally certain that the GOP’s current state of affairs doesn’t bode well for a breakthrough any time in the immediate future.

All the blustery GOP hot air about a comeback in the next election cycle is merely an attempt to distract the gullible from noticing the facts on the ground, as they stand today. Soothsayers have for centuries warned that “the end is nigh.” GOP stalwarts might want to start paying attention to the foreboding omens all about them, because this political dinosaur is on the verge of extinction, and seems to be just about as aware of its own impending mass evaporation as were the raptors of old.

Let’s take a look at the detritus all around us, shall we? Because this party – that should have nowhere to go but up – is about to get shellacked into oblivion.

FAVORABLE UNFAVORABLE

OBAMA 54 38

PELOSI 34 57

REID 31 57

McCONNELL 18 64

BOEHNER 12 63

CONG. DEMS 38 57

CONG. GOP 17 70

DEM. PARTY 40 50

REP. PARTY 22 68

While the GOP gleefully points to the President’s incrementally dipping approval ratings, they seem less than anxious to examine their own, wherein lie whatever slim hopes for revival they might still entertain. Like Monty Python’s Black Knight, they lie on the ground, armless and legless, daring those who laid them low to come back for more. At present, more voters believe in UFOs than they do in the GOP. Hey Dubya, HERE'S Your Fuckin' Legacy, Asshole!

As one can see just by looking at the above simple poll graph, no matter how badly Pelosi and Reid might fare with the voting public, their counterparts Boehner and McConnell rack up results twice as bad. Ditto for the Congressional Republicans, whose ever-sliding popularity is dropping toward the single digits with greater momentum, making them only marginally more popular than herpes. Congressional Dems may not have much cause to celebrate, with fewer than four in ten voters applauding their efforts.

However, when a major health care bill passes into law – no matter how disemboweled and diluted the eventual result may be – Democrats will have scored a victory that will inflate their flat numbers above the 50% mark. What will the GOP have to show for its staunch pro-corporate shilling in opposition to whatever passes into law? Nothing but increased animus from a voting populace that still – after all the GOP Birther’n'Bagger Town Hall bullshit – favors inclusion of the public option, and will long remember at whose insistence it was removed, presuming that it will be excised from the final bill.

The President’s own numbers are about where one would expect them to be, mirroring the popular vote in the election that put him into the Oval Office. Sure, he’s dipped from the honeymoon highs of early in the year, as one would expect. But given the unrestrained hostility aimed at him by those whose only recourse has been shrill invective and falsehoods, he has retained his base strength. The GOP only wishes it could say the same, for self-identified Republican voters now hover somewhere southbound of one in four members of the general population. And Things Are Even WORSE For The GOP Since This Epic FAIL!

For any other President, Obama’s current popularity level would be considered par for the course, an inevitable diminution from the euphoric post-electoral high. But three things suggest that Obama is actually far exceeding what might be reasonable expectations for any other Commander in Chief.

First, we must recall the steaming hot shit sandwich left on his plate by the departing Bush junta. An economic climate unparalleled since at least the Great Depression; leading to unprecedented monetary intervention in the “free market” which has yet to yield vote-attracting benefits for the White House; two wars of poor choice, neither of which is now going swimmingly well; an apocalyptic auto sector that has only been kept on life support, but not yet stabilized into health; an internecine health care debate that has served only to frighten Obama’s opponents without giving succor to his supporters; worries about a tripling of the nation’s debt load; and much, much more besides.

Second, the personal vilification of Obama has been as savage as it has been baseless. Those who slept through the two elections stolen by his predecessor Bush The Usurper have now arisen from their slumber, using hammer and tongs, sickle and swastika to depict Obama as an illegitimate leader. D'ya REALLY Want More Of The Same From The Party That Brought You THIS???

It is not just that he was born in Indonesia, or Kenya or Canada or whatever foreign port of call might render him ineligible for the post. It is the insistence that this lukewarm Christian is actually a raving Muslim fundamentalist, bound and determined to cede our country to its sworn enemies.

It is that he is a Commie, and/or a Nazi, and/or a socialist, and/or a totalitarian dictator just itching for the proper pretext to put real patriots into FEMA internment camps. Then he can declare the Amero the new coin of the realm and open up the NAFTA superhighway that will spell the end of this great nation once and for all. Oooh... He's So.... EEEEVIIIILLL!!!

It is that he is too inexperienced and naive fuck the birth certificate; where’s your CV? – to match the superb job done by stalwart brainiac diplomat Dubya.

It is that he is the human incarnation of pure evil and an enemy of all humanity

Nothing is too caustic or toxic, so long as it serves to undermine the legitimacy of this man’s Presidency.

Third, have you heard the President is… black?

While not a sufficient deterrent to his election, racism is a festering sore that lingers long. Only a fool would declare that all opposition to Obama and his policies is race-based; but it is equally delusional to deny the existence of any racial animus, for it is only too obvious to all but those who choose for their own reasons to abide and rationalize it. "Call me if you need any help... ha ha ha..."

A recent newspaper article trolled the south, searching for a rationale that drives the antipathy felt toward this President. When asked what they oppose about his policies, the interviewees invariably, repeatedly recoiled against his big spending, but couldn’t put their finger on what it was about the man himself that bothers them so. And then each of them, without being asked, rushed to assure that racism had nothing to do with it.

Given the foregoing circumstances, what is remarkable about Obama’s polling numbers is that they are still so high. It is a testament to the President that he hasn’t yet been sunk by the burdens of office, particularly since they are so unprecedentedly onerous.

But, even more crucial is what this says about our country and the people who inhabit it. Despite all the flim-flammery, all the astroturf million-dollars-a-day spent on distorted advertising and funded militancy, all the Town Hall kabuki, all the imprecations of doom and disaster, the majority of our voters are mature enough to withhold judgment until they’ve actually seen the bill, unwritten at the times of greatest concocted discontent with it.

But I'M A Victim Of REVERSE Racism!!!!If it helps you sleep easier at night to know that not all your fellow citizens are hucksters and rubes, carpetbaggers, crackers and yokels, take solace in knowing that you are far from alone, and that your existence gives the same comfort to others.

It is such numbers that embolden former President Jimmy Carter to state the obvious about race. Even those who don’t necessarily disagree with the observation wish he hadn’t made it, and imply Carter is viewing events through an old-world, southern prism that no longer exists. Yet his sentiments were echoed by former Vice President Walter Mondale. The last time your humble scribe checked, Mondale’s home state is neither south of the Mason-Dixon line, nor encased in amber.

This will not stop the most vocal rump of the GOP from indulging in coded racial politics, an artform perfected during Nixon’s Southern Strategy days to exploit school busing for political gain. Rush Limbaugh will prattle on impotently about “white civil rights;” Glenn Beck will continue to assert the President is a racist, while ignoring its most self-evident manifestation in his some of his own supporters; younger GOP firebrands will demand abortions be performed in the public square; idiots will run Facebook polls asking if the President should be killed; and the rabble who follow them will demand the President return to Africa, where he apparently belongs. Just today a rightwing asshat advocated – while claiming not to do so – a military coup as the solution to our country’s “Obama problem:”

“Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility?
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars.”Who, ME?  Was It Something I SAID???

Something so innocuous as answering census questions has been scarified into a mythical database of right-minded citizens who will be vacuumed up into concentration camps when the President thinks the time is right. Michele Bachmann conjured that fever dream, and given the recent hanging of a census worker, left bound, gagged, naked, with “Fed” scrawled upon his chest, that fever may yet prove to have been contagious. (The census worker in question was a single father, teacher, Boy Scout leader and did part time census work to help make ends meet, knowing it carried with it an increased element of danger due to such disreputable delusions.)

Bill Sparkman Sez: "Hey, Maybe I WAS A Paedophile.  NOBODY Knows More About That Than the GOP!"  The lack of news about this crime led one soulless, vomit-eyed asshole to speculate – absent any evidence, let alone proof – that the dead census worker might have been a paedophile upon whom revenge was taken by a hypothetical victim. Based on considerably more evidence, your humble scribe would speculate that the wrong man was found hanging at the end of that rope. Those on the right who indulge in such groundless blame-the-victim character assassination deserve their own private innermost circle of Hell, and should arrive there ASAP.Nobody's In Charge, Because Nobody's Fit To Command This Sinking Ship.

Moderate GOPers have eschewed such vile rhetoric, but have refrained from ridiculing it, lest they fall afoul of Limbaugh and his sidekicks, whose national reach and influence they fear. Michael Steele and others have learned to their chagrin that they dare not demean Rush by calling him a mere entertainer, lest they be required by pressure to immediately eat their own words.

Poor GOP results in 2006 and 2008 have been attributed, in part, to a perceived Dem advantage in using the internet, e-mail and social networking sites as campaign tools. If only there were a GOP equivalent, it was thought, future elections would be fought on a more level playing field. There may be some validity in the observation, but one must be careful about the things for which one wishes. A single site musing that murdered census workers were kiddie-diddlers can undo much.

I'll Tear Charles Johnson's Balls Off With My TEETH!The internet is now lousy with right-leaning sites. They have no greater coherent strategy than the party closest to their sentiments. Internecine wars rage between the other, more racist McCain (the one who makes John seem cuddly by comparison) and Little Green Footballs. David Frum mocks the embarrassingly retrograde, while they in turn attack him and all others who fail their own litmus tests and are thus unworthy of GOP purity rings. Republican Cage Match! Far from technology uniting the right, the emergence of its internet personae has fragmented it further.

The coming split in the Republican party – the divorce of the corporatist elite and the bilious Bible-pounding, gun-toting rabble whom they wooed and won – is inevitable. It will not come in time to alter the outcome of the 2010 elections, but if the GOP doesn’t do well in that cycle – particularly if it doesn’t – the schism will irreparably erupt into a third party, in time to hobble the GOP further in 2012. The only way to forestall such a primal cell-division is to galvanize the party back into a single, unified force.We Coulda Been SOMEBODIES, Instead Of Bums, Which Is What We Are!

Yet, without a leader, and lacking a perceptible message beyond “No!,” the voice of the right no longer comes from within the GOP, but is transmitted from, and audible to, its immediate right. Too timid to excommunicate what is left of its own shrinking base, yet too cowardly to rein it into learning acceptable discourse, the GOP has dissolved into constituent parts who abhor, yet cannot survive without, each other. Simple fear of alienating what little is left of the once formidable party has led to a stasis from which nothing has emerged save obstructionism and nay-saying. With so great a vacuum, who will step into the void and reshape the GOP?

Mike Huckabee? He, who opined that Ted Kennedy would have been “urged” to die sooner under Obama’s proposed Mike Huckabee Wants To Dust Off The John Birch Society As The GOP's Future!health care plan? The same guy who just said the UN is bunkum? The dude who slimmed down to run for President and has since ballooned back up to comedy weight? The one whose son likes lynching stray dogs? Charming.

Rudi Ghouliani Spent As Much & Only Got ONE Delegate, So I'm A SUCCESS!Mitt Romney? You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but Mitt Romney didn’t fool anybody significant last time around and won’t be the breath of fresh air the GOP needs for next time around. Too liberal for the extremist fringe, too shape-shifting for the moderates, Romney’s Mormonism strikes the same fear of the “other” that triggers so much of the GOP’s xenophobia.

Michele Bachmann? She certainly fancies herself to be PresidentialWhen The GOP Thinks You're A Loose Cannon..... material, and accuses her detractors of trying to prevent her imminent rise to become the nation’s first female President. But that’s just one of her many retarded fantasies. Professional Bible-spouting baby farmer, Bachmann sees black helicopters and internment camps in her immediate future, and fears for our country ever bit as manfully as Glenn Beck, crying when it suits her purpose just as rotely as he does. She is one of the loosest cannons most feared by GOP moderates, precisely because she panders to other head injury victims who alienate voters possessed of functioning brains.

...You Got Nominated For A High Office!Sarah Palin may yet rise from the political dead, now that Zombies and Twilight vampires are all the rage. But she drove a wooden stake through the heart of her own political aspirations when she resigned as Governor of Alaska well before her term ended. Subsequent revelations about her and her paraded poster children have reduced her stock to “sell” status. So fickle and unsteady a hand will never get within range of the GOP nomination, let alone helming the ship of state.

Rick Santorum? Admittedly the longest of long shots, the man with a particularly odious mix of bodily secretions named after him is nevertheless eyeing a run for the big prize. Now packing his bags for Iowa speechifying preparatory to his formal announcement, this Christian zealot makes the Taliban seem half-hearted in the race to the bottom of true believers. That a man of so little actual achievement and so much derisive mockery is even mentioned on the short-list is an indication of just how woefully wide open the field could be for the GOP primaries.

Newt Gingrich? Fuck, yeah, riiiiiiight….. Next!I Remember When Liz & Dick Were Considered Stars...Not THESE Two, Obviously!

Liz Cheney has been making the rounds of political porn shows, and has thus far proved only one thing with her incessant proclivity for interrupting others: she was raised with incredibly poor manners by parents who were absent without leave during their mandatory childrearing service years. The arrogant condescension oozes from each and every self-interested pore. The irony of smugly railing against entitlement, while being the embodiment of it, is lost on her. This shrew being groomed for potential juggernaut status is a bad, surreal re-run of a show we’ve already seen and loathe. If her name weren’t Cheney, it would already be her nickname

Bobby Jindal? Tim Pawlenty? Or how about the handsome dark horses of not long ago, the now farcical John Ensign and Mark Sanford? One could go further, of course, but that sound you hear is the scraping of barrel-bottom.

All That's Left Of The Right Is WRONG!It does not help the GOP in the pending cycle that – unlike their GOP counterparts – so few incumbent Democrats have announced their intent to resign rather than run again. If anything, those Dem seat-holders who have chosen to vacate have cast their eye on higher aspirations than simple retirement. Unseating incumbents is always a challenge, for either party, and there just aren’t many openings upon which the GOP can capitalize.

If the GOP hopes to mount a salvage mission to resurrect its own fast-fading relevance to and in a modern political world, it must first execute a search-and-find mission to seek out its own soul. Better use of technology is no substitute for articulated policies that entice the voters. Improved fund-raising techniques cannot elect a grossly inferior candidate, as they learned last time around. All the think tanks in the world cannot fashion a message acceptable to voters who find it discordant and off-putting. A country anxious to end its two current foreign military engagements cannot be seduced by the siren call of more war in some other third world hellhole, which neutralizes the GOP’s most time-worn cliches of bogeymen who need an ass-kicking.

The Taser of Wisdom has long since learned that the man/didate who stands for nothing will stand for anything. And we’ve already seen far too much of that in recent life.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/perverseus/ perverseus

    Shorts3: What a well written article, though I can’t say I agree with your obvious left leanings (Bush stole two elections — really?). I’m sure there are wackos out there that think Obama is evil, but they don’t represent the true conservative base. Unless you think all the Cindy Sheehans of the world represent the true liberal base…in which case we are all in a lot of trouble. Extremists on both sides are just that: extremists.

    The more reasonable criticisms of Obama are that he is way too inexperienced, way too apologetic about our great nation, way too weak on defense, and way too interested in shoving social programs down the throats of the American people that they clearly do not want. On the positive side, he quietly adopted Bush’s timetable regarding the U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, so maybe there’s some hope for rational thought. (And by the way, the name calling is nowhere near the levels that Bush endured.)

    What we can agree on is that the GOP is a MESS. About the only thing they’ve figured out is that President Obama and his Democratic minions in Congress need to be stopped! (Insert fist slamming on wood desk for emphasis here.) There’s no real plan of action, of course, just a lot of reaction. From where I’m sitting, that’s not the best political strategy.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Shorts3: Because of the late hour, I have to cherry pick my notes from this lengthy, but extremely well written article.

    I agree with this point:

    Only a fool would declare that all opposition to Obama and his policies is race-based.”

    I have a question on this:

    “…two wars of poor choice, neither of which is now going swimmingly well…”

    When did you guys switch your horses and decide that Afghanistan was also a war of poor choice? I have seen this mentioned a lot on here as of late, but I was always under the impression that Afghanistan was the “good” war, for want of a better term and Iraq was the manufactured one. I just don’t recall very much opposition to this war until recently.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    Here is the problem with the Republican Party — the party is not in control of its own message. There is no coherence, no coordinated effort, no attempt to gain consensus within the party itself. Instead, the Republican Party seems to be “run” by a series of talking heads like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O’Reilly, backed by a sycophantic right-wing network (Fox “News”), and is trotting out a series of potential Presidential contenders in the “hurl something and see if it sticks” fashion.

    Is the party dead? Far from it. And that’s the mistake it would be easy to make — thinking that the GOP is no longer a factor. The numbers don’t lie — people like Sarah Palin are staggeringly popular among conservatives, and the percentages are not insignificant. We’re not talking the Green Party here.

    Don’t underestimate the power of ignorant and foolish people in large numbers.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/bjonston/ BJonston

    Wow. Magnifique.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @PERVERSEUS:

    I’m sure there are wackos out there that think Obama is evil, but they don’t represent the true conservative base.

    Here’s the problem: The wackos are the only ones being heard. I know not every Republican is built in the Teabagger/Birther mold, but it’s the rabid conservative rhetoricians that are making their voices heard, not the moderates. The Olympis Snowes of the party are being drowned out by the Michele Bachmanns.

    Forget taking back the country — how about true Republicans getting around to taking back their party.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/samuraipandapoetry/ samuraipandapoetry

    Nef beat me to it, that thing about the squeaky wheel and the conservative base.

    If Senor Wences were here, he’d say “Life is short. Say ‘retarded.’”

    This whole situation, the entirety of American politics, is indeed retarded.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @SAMURAIPANDAPOETRY: I’m not a big fan of the word “retarded,” as a general rule, but yes, American politics is a sad commentary on the state of this nation. Instead of voting in the best and brightest to run the nation, we tend to choose the paste-eating, lunch-money grabbing, nerd-bashing segment of the population, whose only interest is getting a big fancy office, having the keys to the country, and finding ways to parlay their position into a summer home, a swimming pool, and a mistress.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/lawyergay/ lawyergay

    And despite all of this, candy-assed Congressional Dems still feel the need to appease irrational Republicans like Joe Wilson, who for some reason thinks the health care reform legislation would allow undocumented immigrants to pick Uncle Sam’s pocket.

    While I loathe most Republicans, their hateful, know-nothing policies and demented Christianist hypocrisy, I think it’s a really bad thing for there to be no functioning opposition party with serious proposals for fixing the godawful messes we’re in. Democrats are just as willing to hand out the corporate hand jobs as the Republicans. We need a progressive alternative.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @LAWYERGAY: That’s what irks me the most — the Democrats have real power, and are afraid to use it. I can see where they don’t want to be tagged as being like the Republicans when they took over in ’94, but c’mon!! GET STUFF DONE ALREADY!!! Ram things through!!! Trample the Republicans until they get the idea that if they don’t play at all, they will simply be crushed under the wheels of an administration that wants to get things done.

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    Sure the GOP is down, but out? Having watched the two parties rise and fall and rise and fall for some time now, I really doubt it. In short (and I know this is a complicated matter that I’m oversimplifying), the fight for power in this country continues to be a fight for the middle. Most recently, the Republicans, who had a strong hold on power, reverted to a more ideological place and, along with Bush fatigue and serious corruption problems, got crushed. At the same time the Dems, tired of the minority, expanded their base, the most obvious sign of which has been their willingness to support candidates in red and purple states/districts who completely disagree with core Democratic positions. This trading of purity for power is, in my opinion, not only smart but entirely necessary to win in the current poliltical world. There, attack away.

    @LG: At the risk of making things appear to neat, my above hypothesis helps explain why the dems don’t just charge straight ahead and pass everything the liberal wing wants. By exanding to the middle, you get, for lack of a better term, policy drag. Right now the House holds 49 Democratic members who represent districts that voted for both Bush and McCain. What many of them are nervous about (obviously this varies from place to place–I know I’m oversimplifying, or, hell, maybe I’m just wrong) is not the crazy teabaggers, but that 20% or so of voters who are independent and are very uncomfortable with federal spending and are hesitant about what they see as dramatic changes in federal power.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @KNEETOE: Unfortunately, the fight for the middle is a fight between raving lunatics and cowards. Neither side inspires much confidence. Obama came into his presidency with vigor, and he’s having the life sucked out of his message by hypocritical right-wingers bent on revenge, and fumbling, incompetent, imbecilic left-wingers, who can’t seem to take the reins.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/lawyergay/ lawyergay

    Knee: The thing is, though, it’s not the “liberal wing” that wants things like a public option in the health care bill and the end to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. It’s a solid plurality (and in some cases majority) of all voters:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/23/785311/-NBC-WSJ-Poll:-Stable-Views-On-Health-Care,-Doubts-On-Afghanistan

    There’s no percentage in keeping “purple state” Dems in power if they’re going to frustrate real progressive change. Blanche Lincoln and Ben Nelson might as well be Republicans, and they’re both in serious trouble because of their opposition to health care reform.

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    @LG: What I see in those poll numbers is a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty (are those two different things?) Below are a few examples. But also keep in mind that national polls like that will be heavily skewed because much of the support will be bunched in districts that are overwhelmingly Democratic, with many fringe Dems (those in less blue districts) left to deal with higher levels of opposition.

    The argument that it’s better to be in the minority and keep your purity is of course a legitimate one, though not one I agree with. For example, if the Republicans were in power in the House or Senate, we wouldn’t even be talking about health care right now. I like where we are better, even if it’s frustrating.

    A few cherry-picked examples of the polls being ambiguous:

    “Here’s the public option question (clear as mud, because in this split sample response, while it’s important to the public to have a choice on a public option, the respondents are divided as to whether to create one. But did people mean for themselves, or for those without insurance?)”

    “According to the poll, the president’s health-care numbers have slightly increased, although that increase remains within the margin of error. Thirty-nine percent believe Obama’s health-care plan is a good idea, which is up three points since August. Forty-one percent say it’s a bad idea.”

    “Troop build-up is opposed 51-44 (strongly oppose 31), but “immediate and orderly troop withdrawal” is opposed 55-38.”

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    @Nefarious: No doubt there are plenty of crazies out there and some cowards, but I tend, sometimes in spite of myself, to take a milder view of things: there are also plenty of perfectly rational and brave people who disagree about things. But that’s just me.

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    By the way folks, David Brooks (I know, I know) today is relevant.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02brooks.html

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/shortsshortsshorts/ shortsshortsshorts

    David Brooks is rumored to have a strong addiction to Ibogaine.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/nefariousnewt/ NefariousNewt

    @KNEETOE: But that’s my point: the rational crowd is doing nothing while the crazies take the field. If you’re overseas, watching CNN, you might think that the United States has been overwhelmed by a wave of insanity.

    This country cannot hope to heal its wounds, close its divides, end its miseries, until the moderate, rational, center of our nation stands up, en masse, and shouts “Enough!” As long as those on the fringes have the floor, we are a nation in turmoil.

  • http://wordsmoker.com/help/members-3/chillbearlatrigue/ Chillbear Latrigue

    @Knee: Although I believe that we are political opposites on many issues, you have hit upon something that I have been arguing for quite some time. Only you expressed your points with much more eloquence and supporting facts:

    ” Right now the House holds 49 Democratic members who represent districts that voted for both Bush and McCain. What many of them are nervous about (obviously this varies from place to place–I know I’m oversimplifying, or, hell, maybe I’m just wrong) is not the crazy teabaggers, but that 20% or so of voters who are independent and are very uncomfortable with federal spending and are hesitant about what they see as dramatic changes in federal power.”

    @LG: I certainly hope that opinion polls are not any sort of factor in whether President Obama sends troops into Afghanistan or not. When you are the head of a country at war, you really have two choices: pull them out or give your generals what they need. I acknowledge that you are a proponent of the former solution, which brings me to my next question. When did some of you (because I don’t believe all Democrats feel this way) decide that winning the war in Afghanistan was no longer important to this country?

    In 2001, 98 Senators voted to invade Afghanistan. The two who didn’t vote were Republicans. When did this change for the left? Obama and McCain both said that this was the important war and that they would finish what they started. Did this change of heart come after Obama entered office?

    On a side note, not to LawyerGay specifically, the combined multinational forces have lost 1429 troops in eight years. 1429 too many, but not out of line with what you would expect for invading and holding a country for that length of time. Incidentally, I knew one of them.* I mention this so that no one is thinking that I throw out mortality statistics lightly. The Soviets lost 15,000 men and killed approximately one million Afghanis during their 12-year occupation. This is not the same war. I realize that this is not particularly relevant to the discussion of public opinion of the war, but I get irritated when I see some talking head trying to compare the US and USSR invations because they were fought on the same terrain.

    * Army Sergeant 1st Class Curtis Mancini – KIA January 29, 2004.

  • http://wordsmoker.com kneetoe

    @Nefarious: You say you want the center to step up, but you clearly come from the eft (newt joke, not a type-o or real comment).

    People who take cable news seriously cannot be helped.

    @Chill: Thanks (although I’ve no doubt that you’ve made your position clear).